Post by High Priestess on Feb 12, 2016 0:27:54 GMT
Thanks for the update, trafalgar. I looked at the profile of the London host who posted that on the COmmunity Center, and looked at her reviews, and the names of the listings as stated in the reviews, and I counted at least 10 separate entire apartment/house listings. It makes more sense to me that Airbnb would take action on such a host, as compared to hosts who aren't renting out more than one entire apartment/home, as this kind of action fits in more with de-listing actions that have been taken by Airbnb in other cities. I still think it is unfortunate, and problematic, when hosts have their listings de-listed without warning or a clear explanation. But I think it's up to hosts now to read the writing on the wall and the way the political winds are blowing.
Some of my flats got delisted last night without any explanation from Airbnb and i have got an email today saying this
Dear Hassan And Hussein ,
We have received your message regarding your account. Our mission is to allow Airbnb guests to connect with hosts who provide local and authentic experiences that make the city a better place to live, work and visit. We routinely carry out initiatives for quality purposes and adherence to this mission. The outcome cannot be changed.
I Have seen that a lot of hosts in london was getting emails last 2 weeks about being delisted but i can see that no one actually got delisted. Anyone knows what's going on ?
@hassan And Hussein.....Hey Guys, it looks like a line has been drawn in the sand, and hosts with multiple listings are systematically having their listings removed. The original Airbnb concept was to have people stay in a hosts 'shared space'....a spare room, a loft in the house, a cottage in the back yard! But over the years we are seeing more and more hosts in a situation where they are listing more and ever more properties and are virtually using Airbnb as a hotel booking site!
Air bnb are walking a tightrope between hosts such as your self with multiple listings and local government authorities who are coming under ever increasing pressure from the traditional hospitality industry to make you conform to the stringent government requirements they have to.....and Hassan, it looks like local government are winning!
I have not heard of a single host worldwide who has had their solitary single listing threatened in this way. It seems to be a purge purely on hosts with a number of listings.
The unfortunate thing from your point of view is the secrecy leading up to this! Unfortunately nothing has been flagged about what is happening. I know Airbnb are doing a lot of work in the background with local juristictions around the world, but it is disappointing that none of the progress of that work is filtering down to the hosting community.
I am sorry for the situation this is putting you in Hassan....you are no doubt an amazing host, but you are being seen as a boutique hotel rather than a home host and that appears to be where the problem lies!......cheers.....Rob
Hassan And Hussein
Hi Robin Thank you so much for your respond. I tottaly agree with what you said. But i'm just concerned as a lot of multi listings hosts are still live while others with one listings gettings emails that they will get removed which is really confusing ( They are super hosts by the way )
I hope that someone from inside Airbnb Can reachout to expalin everything clearly.
@hassan And Hussein....Yeah I understand, I am a superhost myself! But I would love to know if any single listing hosts have been affected in this way.......I am very active on the CC, I read virtually every post on this site, and I have not come across this occurence where just one listing is involved. You are absolutely right Hassan, it is terribly confusing and it appears, it has only just started.
For your sake Hassan, and many others, I hope that some way can be found to accommodate you guys and still work within the framework of Airbnb....because you are the experience, the base that has made Airbnb such a big platform. Many of the hosts who come to the CC....and to hosting have do idea of what they are doing, and as another long time superhost said..."They are trashing the brand" !
Good luck Hassan, I will follow your progress.....cheers....Rob
Hassan And Hussein
Thank you so much robin for your support. I will still use Airbnb for its great features for renting out my spare room at home but for business i will have to start a Plan B from tomorrow. I'm not sure if anyone with single listing get unlisted but i have read in the community that they are getting warning emails that they will be removed. I will keep you updated with my progress and thanks again for your supportive replies
Many thanks Hassan
It's happening all over the world, mostly in the big cities where short term rentals are a hot political issue. If you search the community (use the search function above) you'll see a lot of posts about this, and it's happening in New York, Madrid, Barcelona, Paris and London. In fact just in my little town we've recently been issued with an ordinance outlawing short term rentals, and as a multi-listing host with Airbnb going on six years, this is a subject I follow very closely. Multilisting hosts are seen by some as anathema to the Airbnb "brand" but the company quite happily takes the $$ that (some say) the 8% of hosts generate, which has rumored to be 40% of the airbnb revenue.
In any case, as Robin says it's a difficult line for Airbnb to straddle - they want to be seen as complying with the law, and the only way to show that is to evidence that they are shutting down multi-listing hosts that they deem are "not providing authentic experiences". In some weird way they may be doing you a benefit, as they can't provide Big Brother info on you if you're no longer part of the system... so maybe they are cutting bait rather then be compelled to share your data. Who knows?
Dave & Deb
Hi @hassan And Hussein, I see nine listings under your account. How many were delisted?
@hassan And Hussein What happens to guests who had booked with you?
I have just read through this entire thread. Just an hour ago, I logged into my account to find virtually all of my listings de-listed.
I immeditately contacted airbnb thinking my account was hacked to be told that they have removed nearly all my listings.
I have 400 glowing reviews, all 4 star and above, a response rate of 98%. I personally meet and great majority of guests and I am shocked to find out my listings have been removed and unsure of why.
I am very concerned as I have many guests checking in/out over the next few months, I am unsure of what happens to these bookings? Have they been canclled or not?
I am further concerned about the amount of time and money I have spent reinvesting into properties to make them incredible, by adding wifi, sky tv, updating tvs, beds, linen and refubishing entire properties etc etc.
Any help would be grately appreciated. Regards
Hassan And Hussein
@guneet Hi Guneet
Well i had 9 listings left and they have all been removed now they only left me with a single unit.
No Explanation no Warnings and they doesn't even reply to the emails and the phone line help is very poor.
Whats really dissapointing is that they promised to look after the multi listing hosts in the last Airbnb Open
I genuinely feel very upset. I wasnt given any warning. 14 of my listings are gone and I am left with 3.
Have your future bookins been cancelled? I am unsure what will happen with these.
What do you think you will do with your properties from now on? I will have to list on other websites no.
Such a shame considering how much time and effort we have spent building ourselves on airbnb to be thrown off.
@guneet...... Oh Guneet, I do feel sorry for you but, you had to see this coming...You have 17 listings, you are not a home host, you are a boutique hotel operator who has been using the Airbnb platform as a collection agent for your 'business'....that being, the letting of your properties to guests! Airbnb was not set up for people like you who just accumulated more and more properties...where would it have ended.......when you had 100 properties? and you expect Airbnb to fill those properties for you!!!!
Airbnb have de-activated your listings because you have contravened the spirit of Airbnb, you have not provided the hosting experience required of an Airbnb host.....Guneet, read my reviews...I am an Airbnb host, I base my solitary listing around the concept that Airbnb was specifically set up for....and that is why my listing will remain and yours will be removed.
This will possibly hit your fairly hard financially Guneet but, you continued to 'push the envelope' and should have ultimately seen this coming!!! Cheers....Rob
I appreciate all of your posts robin you are always such a breath of calm reflection, but I don't share your feelings on what Airbnb was set up for. Airbnb has grown to be a billion dollar industry because multi listings hosts bring in a ton of revenue. Some have said that 8% of hosts make up more then 40% of the revenue. I, and other multi listing hosts may provide a boutique hotel like operation, but that doesn't preclude us from offering a unique experience to our guests in the same way that you do in your own home where you are sharing. Airbnb wants (and needs) the revenue that we bring in but then we're treated like a dirty secret. There's room and a need for a variety of options for guests. My particular niche is large private apartments for families traveling together.
I don't have fault with Airbnb shutting down listings that don't conform to the terms and services and standards, but I do wish they'd be upfront about what they are doing and why. There are in fact lots of other opportunities for hosts like me to take our business elsewhere and that's what a lot of hosts will do, but it is a shame to be pushed out of a system that has been working quite wonderfully for all kinds of hosts -from people with a yurt to an enterpreneur in London with 10 apartments that they've worked hard to prepare and manage.
@milu Hi there Milu....You are right and it is possibly flippant of me to blanket all hosts who 'Host from afar' as not providing a personal hosting experience. But Maria, I have taken 'hosting' to my heart! I love to cook a nice dinner for my guests, I love to go way beyond what would be expected of me as a host! And I guess this is in part because I have been so fortunate to have had such a wonderful lot of guests, and I do like to think I embody the original Airbnb philosophy. As I have said before in other posts this has been one of the best parts of my life...not financially, but in terms of satisfaction....I love being a host!!!
For that reason...and you can cane me for this...... but I don't see it possible for host who have multiple listings to provide the service that I provide to guests, particularly hosts who have 5,8,13 listings! It is just not possible. And I think that the good work that I do is undone by hosts who see it as their duty to provide a key on entry, and a number to call if things go wrong.
Airbnb have come to a crossroads! You are right, it is the multiple listing hosts who have made Airbnb successfull because....you are professional, you have done the hard yards! You may lack a bit of the personal approach that I love but, because of your experience you don't 'trash the product' like a lot of newcomers....you are the 'nuts and bolts' of hospitality!!
But Maria, it is because you are so good at what you do that you have taken home hosting to a level that is causing a serious amount of strain on the traditional hospitality industry and Airbnb are caught in the middle....support their hosts and be shut down by officialdom, or suffer the hurt and put on a compliant face. @milu, I wish it wasn't this way...I would love to give you a big hug and make it all better...but the roller coaster has left the dock and we can all only go along for the ride....cheers....Rob
Stephanie And Steven
Can someone please remind me why we're so concerned with preserving the health of major hotel chains? Cause that is one thing I do not understand at all.
Travel is changing. Hospitality is changing. Airbnb can choose to be a leader in that or they can choose to stumble.
I'm not going to get on a high horse about being a hands-on host, (the angle is not flattering) but I don't think people who provide shared rooms in their home are better or worse than me. Although, full disclosure, I would like to point out, our homeowners association made a rule that we can't have paid guests in our own condo and then several of the board members listed their properties on Airbnb - so I have a certain amount of intolerance for people who say one thing and do another. That is why we bought a second home and began renovations. Our area has a very high demand for unconventional lodgings. With the Howard Johnson's charging $320. a night on some summer weekends, I don't feel the least bit guilty about "cutting into their business" quite the contrary.
The thing is, I think we're buying in to how these arguments are being framed and what Airbnb WAS instead of looking at the situationas it is right now.
Do I need to protect the wealth of shareholders and hotel owners who are already wealthy? No I do not.
Do I have a right to use my property as I choose, provided it falls within the limits of my neighborhood zoning? Yes, I do. That is a fundemental right of ownership.
And Airbnb should be fighting for that principle, not crumbling under the weight of a few rich companies that have the time and the employees to put pressure on local city councils, all the while trying to make it look like the objections are coming from the grass roots.
I cannot support the rights of the people who are being delisted in NYC, and there are a lot of them, because they are renting - they down own the property they lease out. The risk of damage, insurance, etc. is not theirs to take. But I can, and do, support owners in doing what they want with their homes, especially if it means the difference between keeping and losing their home, which it certainly did for us. I had heart surgery 18 months ago. Without our Airbnb property, we would be bankrupt.
I think, because the original Airbnb guys started out as a few young guys in a rental apartment, they have a very weak understanding of what it means to own a home and cannot truly stand up for the rights of those who support their current lifestyle.
I also think that whatever the original version of Airbnb was, it is not that way now. Pretending it ever will be that way again is, frankly, stupid.
If the company continues down this road, I feel fairly certain they will break their business. They've made a lot of mistakes - this "community center" is a good example of one of them, the office design that copies "their favorite hosts" listings, was another. But this is going to make most of the money coming into their business look for another home.
Some hotels should fail. They should change into something else. They're a product of another age when people traveled in a different way. There's nothing to fear there. That's how life moves forward.
Hosts with multiple listings have a business. If they are in the tourist business they should be registered as such and pay hotel tax. This tax goes towards promoting the tourist industry in tv ads, flyers, and pays for the the tourist offices, maps, etc. I have no sympathy for those hosts that are in the hospitality industry that do not pay this tax. Also, any legally registered tourist letting property is periodically inspected to ensure cleanliness and safety standards are met. I agree whole heartedly that Airbnb provides a need for tourist to live like the locals do...in hosts' homes if they wish. But for those Airbnb tycoons that have a big business going on under the legal wires, get licensed as a business and comply with tourist industry laws.
Stephanie And Steven
And if they're paying the tax - as many, if not most, do?
Then what? Are you still in favor of protecting hotels and delisting airbnb listings?
Stephanie And Steven
We have the health inspector in once a season. He has told us, we're the only BnB in town that does this.
I don't doubt that is the case in most towns.
I think you assume an awful lot when you assume "businesses" are paying so much more than you are - look into it, most of them aren't paying nearly as much - they're charging more, sure. And they're demanding more support from local governments but they're not giving back any more to the community and their standards, in my experience, are not nearly as high as ours.
Stephanie And Steven
Your imagination is running wild if you really believe there's such a thing as an "Airbnb Tycoon."
@stephanie And Steven .....10 out 10 for that one....could not disagree with a thing you say here Apart from perhaps the dig about the 'hands on' bit! Cheers....Rob
Hi Milu and Robin,
Thank you for your comments.
Since my listings being de listed 2 days ago now, I have still had no proper explanation from airbnb as to why they have been de-listed. I have sent several emails and made many calls to be told the relevant department will contact you soon.
I have over 300 future bookins over the next few months where all of these guests have planned their well deserved holidays, booked flights and made plans and are now questioning me why my listing has been removed and whether their bookings are still confirmed. In all honesty I do not know myself whether these bookings are still confirmed and will be paid out? As airbnb still have not answered any of my questions...
Furhtermore, it is making me look as if I am a vilan or have done something wrong.
Like yourself Milu, I am running a proepr business model, paying all taxes, bills and going above and beyond to ensure my guests have a great stay, as we want repeat customers, good review and guests to have a great time.
By having 20 apartments listed on airbnb you have to realise the amount of work and organisation goes into planning every single day, from checkins/out, cleaning, meet and great, problems arrising, damages, people arriving early or late. And to be left in the dark by airbnb over night with no prior warning is a disgrace on airbnb's behalf.
I sincerely someone from airbnb is reading these threads and makes necessary changes to help all hosts.
Dave & Deb
I am curious if you can re-list the listings? I know this would not help you in getting the guests back but again, curious what would happen.
If a host has helped you today in the Community Center, feel free to thank them, give them a thumbs up and/or select "Mark as Most Helpful" to the left of the thumbs up.
I am unable to relist. I have not had any future bookings cancelled yet. I am concered they will be cancelled as I have read this has happened to other hosts. This will be a disaster for guests who have planned holidays and booked flights.
But what you say does not make sense having in mind that yet there are plenty of hosts on airbnb with multiple listings (i). Furthermore Airbnb itself encourages multiple listings by simply allowing you to list more than one property. I have ALL my 3 listings de-listed without any explanation rather than an automated email, which was collectively sent to others.
The website used to be a good place, but it's turning into a dead end, particularly having in mind the level of poor customer service and lack of adequate communication.
Stephanie And Steven
I don't think I meant it as a dig but in the old groups, there was a woman who would constantly attack people for not being "true to the spirit of Airbnb" because she rented out her own bedroom in her condo and other hosts rented out a whole apartment.
I stopped using the groups because of her so what you may be peceiving is some residual burn on my part. I apologize. Everyone should be able to do what they want with their own way of doing Airbnb and - maybe this isn't the right place to say it but since we're waiting for two sets of guests to arrive at our house (one will be staying in our upstairs apartment and one will be staying downstairs - we will be staying in the middle during this cold blast rather than decamping to our studio/loft as we usually do) the whole issue of how we differ from hotels is much on my mind.
We've had four star reviews from people who expect better than five star hotel service and we've managed to maintain our Superhost status anyway. It's a ton of work, the apartments are spotless, We jump at their every whim and are they even a tiny bit considerate? Usually - not really.
Our last guests left every single thing in the apartment on while they went out for the evening and then were baffled that a fuse blew in their absence. What kind of person leaves everything on and then goes out for the evening? Too many times it feels like they're just trying to make sure they maximize our expense out of some weird sense of entitlement.
Anyway, we had the electrician in yesterday to rewire some of the circuits and make sure everything can take any load they throw at it at any time. Needless to say, we won't be making any profit this month.
Two thirdsof our guests act like spoiled children and that's partly because I've spoiled them. We are going to start reining them in because if we don't train them to behave like better guests who will? I expect Airbnb to support us in doing that, just as when I am a traveler I expect Airbnb to qualify my hosts before I arrive and discover they've lied about many of the things that are crucially important to us. (they say they have no pets and send the dog out to a friend's house for the night thinking they can fool my allergies, list something as a "real bed" when it's a trundle bed and don't get me started on standards of cleanliness - I expect Airbnb to vet that kind of thing so we can book somewhere to stay with confidence.)
Anyway, I guess the thrust of my point is this: We are not hotels but we are the future of hospitality and it's up to us to shape that future. And personally, I think we're better than hotels.
@stephanie And Steven @izzie Hey Steph and Steven......you are way better than a hotel, you don't let.....you host! I say that because it comes across in the passion you express in what you say and how you write! And you are right, we each host in a way that suits us.
On a personal level, I have set my cottage up as an image of what I would like to walk into if I was the guest in another city...another country. There are lots of our personal things including items that go back centuries in this family! When I started this 8 months ago a few people said to me..."Don't put anything out there that you aren't prepared to lose!"....
I have never lost a thing, and I don't ever expect to. I just provide the experience that I would like to receive....and I won't deviate from that.
@izzie....Yeah, a few posts have said that single listings are disappearing but, from what I am reading here....and there are not many posts that escape me, the only one I have read that comes close is Thomas who hosts four rooms in his apartment in London. He lists them either seperately or as a four bed listing. and Anna and Mark in Barcelona...although I suspect theirs may be caught up in the strongarm government action there, as in Chicago....I can't find any others.....but I will certainly be corrected if there are.
Izzie, That's the only logic I can provide for this current purge. Any company that can turn its back on the 8% of its customers that return 40% of its income must have an incredible amount of turmoul going on within!!! And, outside pressure on the Government hotel regs thing is the only thing I can think of......Maybe dave & Deb can provide more info, Dave has the best mind on things relating to this platform that I have come across.Cheers....Rob
@guneet @milu @stephanie And Steven maxine...Hi again Guneet, the last thing I would want to do is give the impression that what you do is not professional. I am sure you are utterly professional...and my God look at those reviews..nearly 400 of them!! "Very responsive and professional host. Guneet provided all the flexibility we needed with the booking and nothing was too much trouble for him"....Man, this is gold! You are good at what you do, and you obviously put the effort in...
There seriously needs to be a platform for people like you Guneet, I just don't think Airbnb is that platform. You multiple hosts seem to slip between the cracks...you can't list effectively with organistations like Booking.com, Wotif, Expedia, Asiarooms,Trivago! These are hotel comparison sites, and you are now in trouble with home hosting sites. Airbnb is possibly facing the brunt of this at the moment because it is the fastest growing platform but, no doubt Homeaway, Holiday Lettings, Flipkey, TripAdvisor, Stayz and a dozen or so others are all going to be targeted for the same treatment.
There needs to be a specific platform for entrepreneurship in the 'boutique hotel' market where local government bylaws form MORE of an integral part of the platform. You are not hotels in the strict sense of the word but you operate more on a hotel basis than a home host one! The cost may be a little higher because of listing requirements, but people like you Guneet could flower in what you do best.
Instead of this heavyhanded treatment we are now seeing where Airbnb are driving a wedge between 40% of their income and their guest pool, effectively wasting a lot of their resources fighting these various external influences.....Why can't they put their brains to work setting up another platform to accommodate their multiple hosts, and simply transfer them to that platform without alienating them....... and loosing them!
Nah....maybe I'm just to old for this game.....I sure hope it works out for you Guneet....I would like to shake your hand one day... cheers...Rob
\ Maxine \ @stephanie And Steven I agree with much of what you have said - particularly the naivety of the young founders setting up an 'elevated' sofa surfer business based on the shared economy trends - whilst having very little experience of running such a business nor themselves being experienced home owners. Their vision wasn't backed up by the reality of the legislation in place designed to support the safety of guests and the taxable income of the businesses providing paid accomadation.
The part I slightly disagree with is your statement about not caring about hotel and bnb busiesses that you sweepingly state as already wealthy people. That is not the case as many boutique hotel and bnb owners, start with one property and work extremely hard building and maintaining their businesses and have a tonne of legislation to abide by. Many only have the one property, whilst many ABB hosts (the 8% you cite) have accumulated a portfolio of properties and are avoiding the same legislation and other expenses the licensed BNB's and boutique hotels have to abide by - including in some locations a 'tourism tax'. Boutique hotelas and bnbs also provide jobs to employees who are anything but wealthy. Those jobs may be threatened if multi-listing property portfolio owners cut into the income of their employers to the point it leads to redundancies. multi-Listing ABB hosts, do not create jobs.
I say this as an ordinary home owner host with just one ABB space within my full-time residence. And where the ABB income supports my ability to continue working on a start-up business pre-funding (no salary) to turn it into a successful business that generates new jobs for others. Just like the ABB founders did.
I am not taking sides - just countering a balance in the debate. I do agree that ABB need to be more trsansparent and at least communicate respectfully with hosts of any type who they have allowed to use the platform and have earned $$ from them.
maxine As usual Maxine...your spot on!! Cheers....Rob
Stephanie And Steven
I am talking about hotel chains. Not small B & B owners or boutique hotels owners ALL OF WHOM are listed and competing for guests on Airbnb as well as on other platforms not available to Airbnb hosts. At least, that is the case in the U.S.
Marriot, Hilton, etc are the ones lobbying against Airbnb not the small owners. I am a small owner myself, using Airbnb as a way to figure out if we can do this and succeed or if it will, given the competing major corporate forces, with their many, many advantages in the market - wholesale equipment, linens and laundry services being only a few - will drive us out of business and cause us to lose our home.
I have noticed a trend in these discussions, people who rent a room in their home are never sympathetic to people who have apartments they rent out. Okay, I get that the lines are drawn there and there is a group that doesn't like the other group. What I don't get is why you'd be supportive of an action that will, eventually and inevitably, take your ability to rent your room, in your home away from you as well.
The people with multiple listings are just the beginning. If you don't think the big chains are coming for you too? well, you're just being gullible. I can't help you with that.
@stephanie And Steven - Hi Stephanie - I promise I am not taking sides at all - there is nothing wrong with boutique bnb owners using the airbnb platform alongside homeowners with a room or an entire apartment or house to rent - ultimately it is the guests who select their preferred experience based on all offers open to them.
I also feel it was wrong of ABB to pull the rug from under bnbs and multi-listing owners in the way that they seem to have done, when it was they who enabled multi-listing owners to use the platform, come to rely upon it as a source of guests and take a share in their $ income.
I really have every empathy for your and many others hosts situation and the impact on their businesses. Its not been handled fairly.
I do expect the hotels to be as aggressive towards bnbs, and holiday property portfolio owners as they will towards individuals with rooms to rent - that's commerce and competition.
However, as I say, it is ultimately the guest who decides what suits them, what experience they want and where they want to spend their money - and in that regard, we are all in the same pool.
I wish you every continued success for your business.
Still any reason why you were delisted? Are the 14 listings legal?
Please provide us with an update.
If a host has helped you today in the Community Center, feel free to thank them, give them a thumbs up and/or select "Mark as Most Helpful" to the left of the thumbs up.
Yes I spoke with BBC and we are fortunate they were able to write an article on behalf of hosts who have been removed for no reason.
Unfortunately, there was still no response from anyone at airbnb. None of my listings were illegal and you can see from my reviews all guests had a great time staying at my properties.
I am hoping there will be more coverage on this topic and hosts will be able to get answers from airbnb.
Has anyone else heard anything who has been delisted?
After the surprise of de-listing, now the panic of future guests arriving starts...
What do you say that sounds truthful to the guests?
I wanted to have a look again at the description and photos of the appartment to see what is there and what we can expect exactly. However I notice the appartment has disappeared from Airbnb. Hopefully our trip is still on? Is there another pointer to the description and photo's? Thanks, Erik
BTW, Once you are de-listed, Airbnb offers no advice on what will happen to your account or what to expect.
Good on you Robin. I agree entirely.
@stephanie And Steven
Someone in my neck of the woods was running 22 listings.
Stephanie And Steven
I'm not sure why you directed your comments toward me Maxine. Especially since, unlike Rob, you do seem to think it's fine that small B&Bs and boutique hotels use the Airbnb platform.
Was it because I said we were trying things out to see if we could grow into that?
Just to be clear here. We are fine. We have two suites in a house we own and occupy about half the time - I came to the defense of people who are using Airbnb as a platform for starting their own, small business and said I do not think it is Airbnb's place to be concerned with protecting the business of hotel chains.
Let me say this one more time as simply as I possibly can: Airbnb should NOT be worried about protecting the business of hotel chains.
Hotel chains want Airbnb to feel responsible for us eating into what they see as their profits because they want it all. They are lobbying to get Airbnb to cut listings and change rules in order to make sure they get ALL THE GUESTS.
I'm sorry I can't spend an hour putting that into words of one syllable but really, I thought it was clear the first four times I said it.
All of that is still true and I do take some offense to the confrontational/corrective tone you took directed, by name, at me, Maxine. (This is Stephanie speaking, Steven wouldn't notice.)
So, I guess what I'm saying is, get your facts in line before you choose someone to single out for irrelevant criticism and snippity doo dah right back atcha.
@stephanie And Steven - I am at a loss Stephanie to understand why you are at all upset or read anything I said as being anything other than supportive and nice towards you.
I only responded twice to this posting that has dozens of responses from lots of hosts. And my second response above was due to the fact that I thought you were taking an earlier comment I made as being unsympathetic to your situation. I admit I must have misunderstood that you are against the ABB being used by bnb owners, as your comment that I first responded to, appeared to say that hosts are critical of small business owners and you felt that was unfair. Clearly I mis-read that - and no, I didn't scroll back through dozens of comments to have seen your other 3 or 4 postings.
Its easy to mis-read or mis-interpret comments and more so 'tone' - but I can certainly assure you, my tone when writing was anything but snippy. I was really nice towards you. So I am quite taken a back by your latest comment .....
Same experience here, i received an email in January giving notice for delisting of one of the 2 flats i rent, one is my private residence, and i immediately contacted airbnb customer service. They told me it was a scam and even put it in writing. Early February not one but both flats have been delisted with no reason, I am short of becoming a superhost and have great reviews. As everybody I am still awaiting an answer and i am told by the customer service that the american quality team has already responded by email to various hosts informing them about their specific circumstances.
I started to look on the internet as this does not sound promising and there are other short rental platforms. Is there anyone who tried any of them in case this situation does not evolve?
Stephanie And Steven
Please stop addressing me in your comments.
This is totally wrong: "I admit I must have misunderstood that you are against the ABB being used by bnb owners, as your comment that I first responded to, appeared to say that hosts are critical of small business owners and you felt that was unfair."
I am not against B&B owners using the platform. I am not against anyone using the Airbnb platform, I think this should become the way people travel. Period. Full stop.
I am against making compromises for the sake of large hotel chains and I am against being constantly drawn into a conversation, personally and specifically, on someone else's whim.
And every time you address me, it shows up in my email and I really don't want that. It draws attention to me on this issue and I don't want that either.
Maxine. I am not on your case. Why do you keep picking on me? Can't you talk to somebody else?
Oh for goodness sake @stephanie And Steven - are you serious? If you don't want to be engaged or addressed or communicated with, don't participate in open forums - and no-one will communicate with you. Simple.
You can't expect to remain anonomous or decide who does or doesn't respond to a public comment 'you make'
I am not picking on you at all - it is you who seems to decide who you are happy to receive a response from, and that appears to be anyone who agrees soley with your opinion. I neither agreed not disagreed with your opinion - I did misunderstand that you may have been pro- airbnb multiple listings or traditional bnbs using the platform, but that was due to your own comments that seemed to imply that and also your response to me that seemed to take offense that I may not have been supportive of multi-listing hosts purely becuase I have just a single home listing.
We actually agree on the issue regarding multiple listing hosts that are not present - so we don't even have any disagreement at all
However, In an 'open forum' it is not up to you to decide who responds to your posts, how they respond, nor have a go at people who take the time to respond, nor throw rocks at them for doing so and then claim to be picked on, if they do. Grow up
i have tried to be nice to you. I apologised for misunderstanding your stance as i didn't read all your posts and later ones were implying something different than the stance you hold. And instead of that appeasing you and being accepted you make this ridiculos further response and insist that you don't want to draw attention to yourself.
If that's the case - don't enter into further postings and try to see arguments that don't actually exist.
I don't now who you are - I have no issues with you - I just gave an opinion in an open forum, you took umbrage to it (goodness knows why) posted a misguided, snippy response aimed directly at me - and even though i replied with a polite expanation, you come back again with a further response whilst claiming you don't want to have attention drawn to yourself.
So let this be the end of the matter, and you won't get anymore attention from me or anyone else.
And if any other topics come up, don't respond to them if you don't want any responses or any attention. It's not difficult to achieve.
If you respond to this and draw further attention to yourself in an 'open forum' (when you've stated you don't want any attention), I'll have no option than to percieve you are a tad dim.
Guneet, If you register your listings to varied businesses under your name, you can continue to list them separately on Airbnb. They just can't all be under the same profile. That said, VRBO and HomeAway are definitely the way to go for full time VR properties. Airbnb is intended to me more of a home sharing service.
What I have noticed is that Airbnb started de-listing my disactivated listings at first?! WEird, isn't it. Some of these have been duplicated, others I am no longer advertising, or within the same property there were 3 rooms advertised as seperate listings, obviously. Overall I had 3 active listings and 5 disactivated = 8 in total. If a computer starts "counting" these, I might be running a botique hotel, yes. So why not delisting me.
I reckon the right question is: has anyone with a single property, or maybe 2 (in total, actve + disactivated) has been delisted?
Precisely. But THEN, hosts should NOT be given the option of listing multiple properties. It's a mess now & Airbnb lose their credibility by playing unfair.
Note that the news post has a link to one of the threads on this topic in the new AIrbnb Community Center --- which may be a reason why hosts want to be careful about what posts they respond to on the new Airbnb Community Center. Whatever you post there is linked to your profile and your listings.