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Post by helgaparis on Oct 28, 2016 20:19:49 GMT
I feel with Deborah on that one. My hair raised too when I read the messages, which is very manipulative. I'm allergic to cat hairs, not dogs, but I'm hyper allergic to manipulative persons. I allowed one lady with a service dog and did regret it. Not for the dog, for the mental state of the lady needing the dog's service. Deborah saved that story: globalhosting.freeforums.net/thread/1671/don-wet-dog-funI wonder if you could not say: I'm sorry, I'm afraid of all dogs and a dog in the same room causes a panic attack. Unfortunately this medical condition does not allow me to host you but I hope that you find a good accommodation in accordance with your medical requirements. Thinking about it, we are not medically trained persons and I would not want to have a person prone to seizures in my home, where this person might break his neck or my glass door. That the dog will then be there to alert the neighbors is only a tiny consolation.
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Post by bsuze on Oct 28, 2016 20:40:15 GMT
Thank you deborah @ helgaparis, & @ Mabel . I so appreciate your wisdom.!!! Whew. I did feel like I was being intimidated and a bit scared because of the girlfriend being a lawyer. This is how it worked out. It wasn't a request to book, it was a message. They had to request by 9 am today as per my listing and they did not. And I have not heard from them at all today. There profile page irked my about their amzing furball. and 30 # isn't tiny either. Perhaps they were baiting me ?? And training a service dog to do something other than their task.. I think not. On Profile page of potential guest. I am a 4th year medical student. My girlfriend is an attorney. We have an amazing little furball named Autumn. She is a tiny 30lb Lagotto Romagnolo and is training to be a truffle hunter! Thank you, bszue
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Post by bsuze on Oct 28, 2016 21:05:34 GMT
Hopefully they won't just show up at 10 or a 11 pm looking for truffles in my lawn or where ever they be. Thanks so much for the useful information. Wouldn't it be nice if ABNB would just tell us that in the rules? ..... who offer no more than 5 rooms for rent in their home, can in fact legally discriminate based on the presence of a service animal, in the USA at least. (Does it mean bedrooms, bathrooms? ) I should post THAT on my rule page.. what would happen?
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Post by High Priestess on Oct 28, 2016 22:09:44 GMT
Hopefully they won't just show up at 10 or a 11 pm looking for truffles in my lawn or where ever they be. Thanks so much for the useful information. Wouldn't it be nice if ABNB would just tell us that in the rules? ..... who offer no more than 5 rooms for rent in their home, can in fact legally discriminate based on the presence of a service animal, in the USA at least. (Does it mean bedrooms, bathrooms? ) I should post THAT on my rule page.. what would happen? The 5 rooms for rent means 5 bedrooms -- if you rent 5 or fewer bedrooms the ADA laws being discussed dont' apply to you. Note that this doesn't refer to the size of the house..you could own a palace with 25 bedrooms, but as long as you only rent out 5 or fewer, then you can discriminate -- in your decision making process, but not necessarily in statements you make. Be very very careful about making any "discrminatory statement" because that could be illegal. Since all the furor about discrimination, and since Airbnb wrote up its non-discrimination policy (which we all have to sign onto and accept as of November 1st I believe), it became clear that Airbnb intends to go beyond the requirements of the law itself on these issues. Because of that, that's why you're not going to just see Airbnb telling you what the law is. In fact the law allows in-home hosts to discriminate on any basis, in many states. So Airbnb isn't applying the law to hosts, it is going beyond the law, and as regards service animals, it could require hosts to accept service animals but fortunately that isn't Airbnb's position -- that would make many hosts just furious! Clearly they understand that due to hosts' own allergies, and other issues, this isn't possible to require of all hosts. I wouldn't post any statement of intent to discriminate in your rules page, since Airbnb may not like the sentiment of that in lieu of its attempt to force hosts to be more non-discriminatory in every way...and again, even when discrimination is permitted in the decision making process, it is generally illegal to make discriminatory statements.
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Post by lambada on Oct 28, 2016 23:04:06 GMT
I do not allow pets put got this below as an inquiry. I know that technically I didn't have to say anything and you can't refuse based on the service animal but I just wanted to let you know and will let you decide whether you can accommodate. I hope to hear from you soon! bsuze I would decline this guest. I wouldn't give a reason why --- just decline. In fact even if I were a host who generally accepted pets, I might make an exception in this case and decline this guest. What pisses me off here and what I consider "red flaggy" is that this guest's comment feels a little bullying to me. It sounds actually like a threat. She's telling you that she didn't have to provide information about the animal, and that you can't refuse based on the animal. This with the fact that her girlfriend is an attorney, feels like a threat to me. One could view it as her just being helpful and trying to educate hosts, but as Grace points out, she is actually not providing educational information because the fact is that hosts who are in-home hosts and who offer a room in their home (not a whole separate apartment) , and who offer no more than 5 rooms for rent in their home, can in fact legally discriminate based on the presence of a service animal, in the USA at least. Because she's providing false information, this feels more like bullying and manipulation and not education. With this tactic, she might just succeed in scaring a few hosts into renting to her, and that's not the way people should gain access to other's homes -- by bullying them and frightening them. So, over the false information and bullying, I would decline her. But definitely dont' mention the decline having anything to do with the service animal. Or that she's lesbian or has a partner who's an attorney, or that she's disabled. Just give no reason for the decline. Deborah, what would you do though if after you decline, she had her gf book for those same dates?
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Post by High Priestess on Oct 29, 2016 4:03:09 GMT
Lambada, first -- I don't accept couples -- only individuals -- so this wouldn't happen for me -- but, if I were in bsuze's shoes....
I would be very suspicious if after declining a woman who was part of a female couple, I got another inquiry/res request for the exact same dates from a woman whose own profile description sounded like the other half of that couple. Or even -- just someone, anyone, for the exact same dates. I would decline that one as well.
I think it's a good idea after declining certain types of folks, to block out one or more of the dates that they asked for, for a couple days. Just to keep them from playing games.
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Post by helgaparis on Oct 29, 2016 11:48:16 GMT
I read through the French version of the anti-discrimination policy which weill be imposed, whilst taking a coffee with Aiguste at the bistro. Between noisy coffee machine, noisy parrot copying the coffee machine and noisy guests "Is this a bird? Does it bite?" (Yes and yes, but you may test it), I was a bit distracted. But it seems the right to refuse a service animal in your private home was watered down. You now have to make minor !!! adaptions to accomodate a dog. And the handicapped person as well. Whilst principally I do all that the policy proposes anyway, describe the space and the problems that will occur and then let the person decide, I learned that not all people are good judges of their capacities (if it is a real handicap, they usually are), and it does not answer the liability question at all. (I'll give feedback on it after reading it again)
To me, an animal is no minor adaption. I don't allow my nephew to bring his dog and consequently he does not visit me. Whilst I'm not afraid of living in the same house like the playfull black calf he calls a dog, it's stressfull to lock doors every time you leave a room with the parrot on one side and the dog on the other. I would not think it fair to impose the host a lot of extra stress so that a guest can have a comfort service animal with him. I would accept the extra stress for a blind guest, but you have no right to ask the severity and nature of the handicap. For a service dog, you cannot even ask extra cleaning fees and washing every tissue and surface is not a minor adjustment either. I'd consider it for a month long stay, but what about a weekend request?
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Post by High Priestess on Oct 29, 2016 11:56:06 GMT
That's a big discouragement -- that you can't ask for additional cleaning fees if you have a guest with a service animal. It would be viewed as "discriminatory". Actually I feel it's not discriminatory if your policy is that every time someone brings an animal, you will impose a $100-200 additional cleaning fee. So the service animal is just being treated as any other animal -- no discrimination. It would be discrimination if you didn't charge an additional cleaning fee.
Best to have nothing to do with any of that and decline, decline, decline. It's my view that people with service animals should stay at hotels or places that allow pets and not bully homeowners into accepting them.
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Post by helgaparis on Oct 29, 2016 15:52:48 GMT
Deborah, I loved the service turkey in the plane. Unfortunately Europe has stricter rules on service animals and my tiny parrot cannot take a plane.
When this medical student of the inquiry in question will train to be a doctor, on an internship in a hospital, will he fall down in seizures in the emergency room or will he have his truffle hunting furr ball with him in the sterile environment? The whole thing sounds made up and stupid. Can you become a doctor under these conditions? Maybe a general practitioner having a dog in your cabinet? It seems contrary to good practice as it would put patients in danger.
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Post by bsuze on Oct 29, 2016 15:57:10 GMT
I blocked out my dates for this weekend to deter this guest or partner from booking at all. I recieved no further inquires from them. I was happy not to be a part of their trickory but they ticked me off. helgaparis good point about the dr. and sterile environment
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Post by High Priestess on Oct 29, 2016 16:10:51 GMT
I agree, great point Helga about how a medical professional can't possibly function in a career which requires a sterile environment, with her service animal along while she works. Unless her medical career is that she operates as a South American Shamanic Healer, and the animal could then function too as a shamanic assistant.
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Post by bsuze on Oct 29, 2016 16:36:16 GMT
while hunting truffles
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Post by maria on Oct 30, 2016 23:54:05 GMT
Actually, I remember volunteering in a hospital where they used to bring a dog to visit the kids. I wonder how they worked this out?
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Post by cc on Oct 31, 2016 14:31:26 GMT
Good lord! I have a cat that will literally devour your 30 lb dog! How's that?
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Post by helgaparis on Oct 31, 2016 17:45:50 GMT
I asked Edith about it, who was a doctor for social security, deciding about abilities to work or treatment. In France, you can't definitively not become a doctor if you have seizures. Her Neighbors daughter's epilepsy worsened during her studies and she got an interdiction to exerce in her fourth year. The service for the doctor made her laugh. I wonder if it's discrimination if you refuse the pathological liers? Is that a recognized disability?
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