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Post by High Priestess on Aug 8, 2017 5:54:08 GMT
In Europe, the Journeymen (who work in the trades) apparently really go on journeys, working as they travel. How different from the USA and probably many other nations, where journeying has nothing to do with working in the trades. NOr do we wear unique clothing styles to identify us. www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/world/europe/europe-journeymen.htmlThere are many things I don't understand about this though. For instance, clearly these journeymen are not carrying power tools with them on their journeys through the land -- so who's providing them the power tools to use in their work? Fat chance that a random homeowner is going to own a jackhammer, or a sawzall or hammer drill or jigsaw...many dont' even have a standard drill. So are these journeymen only working for large organizations or businesses that have all these tools? What if a homeowner needs work done on their house -- who do they call? And how can anyone even call these journeymen if as the article indicates, they dont' own phones and use other people's computers? There seems a desire to merge the work of tradesmen with the lifestyle of bums, vagabdonds and hoboes, and I'm not seeing how that is a good thing. Also, it seems overly controlling....what if a person wants to work as a carpenter but not wear that get-up? Or not be a homeless vagabond? Or own power tools? Many things dont' add up for me.
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Post by helgaparis on Aug 13, 2017 17:43:55 GMT
Never heard of that as an activity during my lifetime. I know it from litterature, but I tought that ended in the 19th century. Must be something nostalgic. I can't imagine, that years spent in other countries in your apprenticeship or after that would count for a profession. In Austria, you becomesn apprentice after 15, (9 years of school). It's extremely regulated and hard to change a place. You have weeks of school duties strawn in. Then you pass exams and are a Journeyman. Depending on the trade, you work at this stade for 3 years or so under a master. Then you can pass more exams and set up a shop or you always work as a Journeyman. Ot's jjst an old classification to define levels of competence, rights and salary. Most would just call it Competent worker or Specialised worker or the like. In France, you start an apprenticeship maybe after finishing school, instead of going to the university. No school duties I believe. Every country has its own system, they would never recognise a year on the road as a year in a shop with a certified master. There are new traditions forming, like working for your keep, to help or to learn. I had a few guests arriving in Paris for a stay somewhere in France, for farming or renovation of an historic building, and a guest, who offers such stay to young people on an island before the coast.
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