Post by High Priestess on May 29, 2016 21:22:11 GMT
Alexina shared
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What would you write in a review of a young couple who....
... are first-time Airbnb guests from Seattle who said they wanted to see the sights during a weekend get-away in San Francisco... and then have spent most of their time in the bedroom having very loud sex at all times of the day and night (4:40 PM, 11 PM, 3 AM, 10 AM, etc.). Hey, we're glad they're having fun, but even with ear plugs, my family and I can hear them moaning and screaming and spanking. (I could probably make a hefty profit selling tickets!) I was thinking of writing in the private part that only the guest see, that their behavior isn't appropriate for sharing a bedroom in a home with the host on the other side of the wall, and that if their intention had been to share as much intimate time as possible weekend, it would have been better to have booked a hotel room.
I dunno. What would you write?
Shaking my head here in San Francisco....
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Carrie
Carriea year ago
I would probably write in the public review that "a hotel room, or an entire apartment, may have been more suitable for this couple, so that they could enjoy one anothers' company in privacy - and out of earshot of the hosts." That way, you're alerting potential other hosts who are considering renting to them.
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Susan
Susana year ago
I'd put this in the private section of the review. Other Hosts might not even care about the noise, each and every Host is different. It is up to each Host to set House Rules regarding behavior and to nip offensive behavior in the bud at the onset. Now, with that said, I agree that the behavior is inappropriate but I would have confronted them directly early on for sure.
Javier and Kym
Javier and Kyma year ago
100% agree. As an example, I just hosted a couple. They had 1 review that said they were good guests. The girl inquired and I asked about when she would be checking in. She said 12:30, I said, sorry, the latest I do is midnight. So she said, "Oh no! We can make it by midnight! No problem." Know what times she showed up? 12:30. When they got here, already past quiet hours, they immediately took long showers, were having loud conversations until 2am. Believe me, if I wasn't sick in bed with a fever, I would have gotten up and set them straight but I was just dog-tired and half out of it. They got up in the morning, took long showers, leaving no hot water for us. Came back late at night, took long showers, rinse and repeat. So were they bad people? No, not at all, but they were clearly looking for a cheap place and didn't care about inconveniencing their hosts. The kicker, was when I went in to strip the bed, they had bled all over the sheets and remade it so the blood wouldn't show. Not girl-blood, mind you, just like from a cut or sore they couldn't be bothered to cover. Didn't say a word to me. Didn't speak to us the whole time they were here. So, PLEASE other hosts, please say SOMETHING in the reviews to give warning. If there was even a suspicion, I would have taken a pass. In my own review, I didn't make a laundry list of all their faults, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think that's vindictive. I just said they were nice people and I hope that whatever happened to make them bleed all over the sheets wasn't serious. And I specifically did NOT say that I would host them again nor did I recommend them. And then I gave them low marks for cleanliness and other things that reflected their behavior. But yeah, some people are just better suited for a hotel, not a room in someone's house.
Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Please, tell us they left! I cannot imagine hosting these people for more than the one bad day/night you had.
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Jay
Jaya year ago
Nice way of putting it
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Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
They just departed, after 4 days/3 nights of pretty much non-stop, uh.... yeah. Have I gotten old? Am I hopelessly outdated? I host many couples of all ages and combinations. None of them have been as indiscreet as these two. To me it indicates a serious lack of judgment. So you think I should write something in the public part of the review as well?
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Lack of judgment, rudeness, thoughtless, inconsiderate behavior. I read this to my husband, he was sure I would have not allowed them to stay beyond their first night. Not even with the Chistmas spirit in the air! Lol
Jay
Jaya year ago
Agreed Maria. I'd tell them to quiet down or get the hell out
Susan
Susana year ago
If you didn't speak to them early on to quiet down, they you're partially to blame here. Unless your House Rules discuss "quiet hours", sadly, it's your fault that they didn't adhere to House Rules - update them if necessary now to discuss.
Susan
Susana year ago
I stand corrected, your listing does discuss "quiet hours" but in the context of your neighbors... I'd reword to address quiet hours on the premises.
Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
I've just stripped the bed, and you wouldn't believe the state of the bed linens and towels.
Sorry... just.... gross.
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Susan
Susana year ago
be sure to rate them less than 5 stars for cleanliness. review your listing description, are your accommodations best suited for those with daily activity plans? is that the type of Guest you prefer? if so, update your listing appropriately to say so.
Jay
Jaya year ago
Hell no
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Please write a review for them. Sorry this happened to you. Hosts should be warned.
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Susan
Susana year ago
I don't think a public review going over their sexual activities is the way to go. How can a review "warn" future Hosts about loud sexual activities politely?
Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Read what Carrie posted.
Susan
Susana year ago
Oh Lord, never a dull moment as a Host I'd say. I guess, probably, you should have mentioned something early on about the lack of soundproofing in the walls as a discreet way of saying that their activities are being broadcasted. We never know, as Hosts, how Guests feel about these kinds of things and perhaps the Guests are quite liberal and care-free. As your listing description and probably House Rules do not speak to situations like this (and, well, who would think to discuss there) then you've got no right to penalize their behavior. However, I would leave direct comments about their actions in the personal part of the review so that they are aware that they should be more discreet next time when using airbnb. The public part of the review should probably be more neutral, even to the point of one sentence and not air their "dirty sexual laundry" in public
Rate the Guests less than 5 stars for sure.
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
I disagree with you respectfully. Our house rules cannot cover every small or not too small details. Not being in the house rules does not give guests the right to do anything not mentioned (i.e. taking 30 minute showers, eating somebody else's food, having loud sex all day, etc.) This does not take away our right as hostess to correct the situation. This couple would have been out of my house very quickly.
Jay
Jaya year ago
Agreed Maria. They should respect our homes and be adult about it ... at the end of the day common consideration and sense would step in.
Susan
Susana year ago
I would have shown them the door as well... BUT, clearly defined House Rules and a well written listing description is a big help. Now, with that said, it's impossible to write up everything that could perhaps be intolerable to the Host. BUT, she did not correct the situation promptly, which is what needed to be done and her House Rules should clearly stated that quiet hours are enforced for residents of the accommodations because the Host lives on the premises and should have been reiterated at check in/during the walk through. A LOT of issues that Hosts have is because they fail to clearly delinate/define the House Rules and behavior that Guests should adhere to.
Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
My original question was not what to DO about these guests, but what to write (or not write) in the review. They could have booked a hotel room, but they used Airbnb as a cheaper alternative, thus my guest room became their personal love nest. I thought it was crude, and the sort of entitlement ("I paid for it, so I should be able to do whatever I want in there") that is seen a lot nowadays. I could have ushered them out the door after the first loud night of sex, but I kept thinking it would stop! (Wow, I wish I had that kind of energy again - although I wouldn't want to be 22 again for anything!)
It's also my feeling that writing an increasingly exhaustive list of House Rules for every imaginable situation is not only pointless (because so many guests don't read them) but also can feel downright unwelcoming. I've seen listings where the host is so specific about what the guest is not allowed to touch, use, open, close, walk on, turn on, adjust, or do, that I wouldn't want to book with them for fear of inadvertently doing something that would send their OCD into overdrive.
As both a host and a guest, it's been very helpful to read the various views you've all shared, and I really appreciate the thought you've put into them. I think what I will end up going with is a combination of what Carrie wrote (and very nicely, I might add), with much more pointed comments in the private section that they should consider themselves fortunate that they weren't tossed out on their (already spanked, reddened) bottoms for such crude behavior in another person's home, where their lovemaking could be overheard even by the neighbors.
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Susan
Susana year ago
House Rules don't have to be exhaustive at all, well defined and succinct will suffice. If you cannot succinctly state your House Rules to ask for quiet hours from Guests and get the "shouters" then sit back and think again because you can do it.
Rebecca
Rebeccaa year ago
I like Carrie's suggestion of how to write the review. I think it's really important that you don't shy away from this, albeit being subtle in the public review. The last thing we live-in hosts need is people thinking Airbnb is a good cheap option for this kind of thing. It's just downright rude. One of my guest rooms is right above my own room and on occasion I have had to put in ear plugs. But that's ok, they can't help the fact the house is old and I have hardwood floors....
Sorry Alexina for your troubles but this is a HILARIOUS story!! Please post a version in the Anecdotes & Stories group!
I agree with those that say house rules should not need to cover this sort of behaviour. Honestly, who thinks it's ok to behave like that? You shouldn't have to state such things in your rules.
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Tracy
Tracya year ago
I had a couple like that once - just one night - and my 10yo son and I were trying to sleep on the other side of the wall. The state of the linens was shocking. If they had stayed more than one night I'd have said something to them - I'm no prude and noise is sometimes just inevitable.....but there is a limit when you're in someone else's home!!
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Alexina, how did it go? I tried to read your review but after clicking it bounces me back to AirBnB Homepage.
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Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
Maria, in their public review, I wrote exactly as Carrie suggested: "A hotel room, or an entire apartment, may have been more suitable for this couple, so that they could enjoy one anothers' company in privacy - and out of earshot of the hosts." In the PRIVATE section, I wrote quite a bit more. ;-) Within an hour, the guest deleted her profile.
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Thanks. Yes, I like the the wording and hope you get more discreet guests from now on.
Deborah
www.airbnb.com/groups/content/content-98154
What would you write in a review of a young couple who....
... are first-time Airbnb guests from Seattle who said they wanted to see the sights during a weekend get-away in San Francisco... and then have spent most of their time in the bedroom having very loud sex at all times of the day and night (4:40 PM, 11 PM, 3 AM, 10 AM, etc.). Hey, we're glad they're having fun, but even with ear plugs, my family and I can hear them moaning and screaming and spanking. (I could probably make a hefty profit selling tickets!) I was thinking of writing in the private part that only the guest see, that their behavior isn't appropriate for sharing a bedroom in a home with the host on the other side of the wall, and that if their intention had been to share as much intimate time as possible weekend, it would have been better to have booked a hotel room.
I dunno. What would you write?
Shaking my head here in San Francisco....
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Carrie
Carriea year ago
I would probably write in the public review that "a hotel room, or an entire apartment, may have been more suitable for this couple, so that they could enjoy one anothers' company in privacy - and out of earshot of the hosts." That way, you're alerting potential other hosts who are considering renting to them.
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Susan
Susana year ago
I'd put this in the private section of the review. Other Hosts might not even care about the noise, each and every Host is different. It is up to each Host to set House Rules regarding behavior and to nip offensive behavior in the bud at the onset. Now, with that said, I agree that the behavior is inappropriate but I would have confronted them directly early on for sure.
Javier and Kym
Javier and Kyma year ago
100% agree. As an example, I just hosted a couple. They had 1 review that said they were good guests. The girl inquired and I asked about when she would be checking in. She said 12:30, I said, sorry, the latest I do is midnight. So she said, "Oh no! We can make it by midnight! No problem." Know what times she showed up? 12:30. When they got here, already past quiet hours, they immediately took long showers, were having loud conversations until 2am. Believe me, if I wasn't sick in bed with a fever, I would have gotten up and set them straight but I was just dog-tired and half out of it. They got up in the morning, took long showers, leaving no hot water for us. Came back late at night, took long showers, rinse and repeat. So were they bad people? No, not at all, but they were clearly looking for a cheap place and didn't care about inconveniencing their hosts. The kicker, was when I went in to strip the bed, they had bled all over the sheets and remade it so the blood wouldn't show. Not girl-blood, mind you, just like from a cut or sore they couldn't be bothered to cover. Didn't say a word to me. Didn't speak to us the whole time they were here. So, PLEASE other hosts, please say SOMETHING in the reviews to give warning. If there was even a suspicion, I would have taken a pass. In my own review, I didn't make a laundry list of all their faults, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think that's vindictive. I just said they were nice people and I hope that whatever happened to make them bleed all over the sheets wasn't serious. And I specifically did NOT say that I would host them again nor did I recommend them. And then I gave them low marks for cleanliness and other things that reflected their behavior. But yeah, some people are just better suited for a hotel, not a room in someone's house.
Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Please, tell us they left! I cannot imagine hosting these people for more than the one bad day/night you had.
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Jay
Jaya year ago
Nice way of putting it
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Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
They just departed, after 4 days/3 nights of pretty much non-stop, uh.... yeah. Have I gotten old? Am I hopelessly outdated? I host many couples of all ages and combinations. None of them have been as indiscreet as these two. To me it indicates a serious lack of judgment. So you think I should write something in the public part of the review as well?
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Lack of judgment, rudeness, thoughtless, inconsiderate behavior. I read this to my husband, he was sure I would have not allowed them to stay beyond their first night. Not even with the Chistmas spirit in the air! Lol
Jay
Jaya year ago
Agreed Maria. I'd tell them to quiet down or get the hell out
Susan
Susana year ago
If you didn't speak to them early on to quiet down, they you're partially to blame here. Unless your House Rules discuss "quiet hours", sadly, it's your fault that they didn't adhere to House Rules - update them if necessary now to discuss.
Susan
Susana year ago
I stand corrected, your listing does discuss "quiet hours" but in the context of your neighbors... I'd reword to address quiet hours on the premises.
Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
I've just stripped the bed, and you wouldn't believe the state of the bed linens and towels.
Sorry... just.... gross.Reply Like 1 reply
Susan
Susana year ago
be sure to rate them less than 5 stars for cleanliness. review your listing description, are your accommodations best suited for those with daily activity plans? is that the type of Guest you prefer? if so, update your listing appropriately to say so.
Jay
Jaya year ago
Hell no
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Please write a review for them. Sorry this happened to you. Hosts should be warned.
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Susan
Susana year ago
I don't think a public review going over their sexual activities is the way to go. How can a review "warn" future Hosts about loud sexual activities politely?
Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Read what Carrie posted.
Susan
Susana year ago
Oh Lord, never a dull moment as a Host I'd say. I guess, probably, you should have mentioned something early on about the lack of soundproofing in the walls as a discreet way of saying that their activities are being broadcasted. We never know, as Hosts, how Guests feel about these kinds of things and perhaps the Guests are quite liberal and care-free. As your listing description and probably House Rules do not speak to situations like this (and, well, who would think to discuss there) then you've got no right to penalize their behavior. However, I would leave direct comments about their actions in the personal part of the review so that they are aware that they should be more discreet next time when using airbnb. The public part of the review should probably be more neutral, even to the point of one sentence and not air their "dirty sexual laundry" in public
Rate the Guests less than 5 stars for sure.Reply Like 3 replies
Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
I disagree with you respectfully. Our house rules cannot cover every small or not too small details. Not being in the house rules does not give guests the right to do anything not mentioned (i.e. taking 30 minute showers, eating somebody else's food, having loud sex all day, etc.) This does not take away our right as hostess to correct the situation. This couple would have been out of my house very quickly.
Jay
Jaya year ago
Agreed Maria. They should respect our homes and be adult about it ... at the end of the day common consideration and sense would step in.
Susan
Susana year ago
I would have shown them the door as well... BUT, clearly defined House Rules and a well written listing description is a big help. Now, with that said, it's impossible to write up everything that could perhaps be intolerable to the Host. BUT, she did not correct the situation promptly, which is what needed to be done and her House Rules should clearly stated that quiet hours are enforced for residents of the accommodations because the Host lives on the premises and should have been reiterated at check in/during the walk through. A LOT of issues that Hosts have is because they fail to clearly delinate/define the House Rules and behavior that Guests should adhere to.
Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
My original question was not what to DO about these guests, but what to write (or not write) in the review. They could have booked a hotel room, but they used Airbnb as a cheaper alternative, thus my guest room became their personal love nest. I thought it was crude, and the sort of entitlement ("I paid for it, so I should be able to do whatever I want in there") that is seen a lot nowadays. I could have ushered them out the door after the first loud night of sex, but I kept thinking it would stop! (Wow, I wish I had that kind of energy again - although I wouldn't want to be 22 again for anything!)
It's also my feeling that writing an increasingly exhaustive list of House Rules for every imaginable situation is not only pointless (because so many guests don't read them) but also can feel downright unwelcoming. I've seen listings where the host is so specific about what the guest is not allowed to touch, use, open, close, walk on, turn on, adjust, or do, that I wouldn't want to book with them for fear of inadvertently doing something that would send their OCD into overdrive.
As both a host and a guest, it's been very helpful to read the various views you've all shared, and I really appreciate the thought you've put into them. I think what I will end up going with is a combination of what Carrie wrote (and very nicely, I might add), with much more pointed comments in the private section that they should consider themselves fortunate that they weren't tossed out on their (already spanked, reddened) bottoms for such crude behavior in another person's home, where their lovemaking could be overheard even by the neighbors.
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Susan
Susana year ago
House Rules don't have to be exhaustive at all, well defined and succinct will suffice. If you cannot succinctly state your House Rules to ask for quiet hours from Guests and get the "shouters" then sit back and think again because you can do it.
Rebecca
Rebeccaa year ago
I like Carrie's suggestion of how to write the review. I think it's really important that you don't shy away from this, albeit being subtle in the public review. The last thing we live-in hosts need is people thinking Airbnb is a good cheap option for this kind of thing. It's just downright rude. One of my guest rooms is right above my own room and on occasion I have had to put in ear plugs. But that's ok, they can't help the fact the house is old and I have hardwood floors....
Sorry Alexina for your troubles but this is a HILARIOUS story!! Please post a version in the Anecdotes & Stories group!
I agree with those that say house rules should not need to cover this sort of behaviour. Honestly, who thinks it's ok to behave like that? You shouldn't have to state such things in your rules.
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Tracy
Tracya year ago
I had a couple like that once - just one night - and my 10yo son and I were trying to sleep on the other side of the wall. The state of the linens was shocking. If they had stayed more than one night I'd have said something to them - I'm no prude and noise is sometimes just inevitable.....but there is a limit when you're in someone else's home!!
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Alexina, how did it go? I tried to read your review but after clicking it bounces me back to AirBnB Homepage.
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Alexina
Alexinaa year ago
Maria, in their public review, I wrote exactly as Carrie suggested: "A hotel room, or an entire apartment, may have been more suitable for this couple, so that they could enjoy one anothers' company in privacy - and out of earshot of the hosts." In the PRIVATE section, I wrote quite a bit more. ;-) Within an hour, the guest deleted her profile.
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Lula and Larry
Lula and Larrya year ago
Thanks. Yes, I like the the wording and hope you get more discreet guests from now on.
Deborah