Post by High Priestess on Feb 25, 2016 16:18:50 GMT
Arleen shared on New HOsts Forum Feb 24 2016
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Hi, our beachhouse is several islands away from the more commercial and touristy beaches in the area. One of these beaches have the reputation of being the red llight district of the area.
Last weekend several guests (not the one who i communicated with on airbnb but a part of his group) brought home some women from there. Our cartetaker was pretty sure they were ladies of the night because the guests admitted that they were. Thanks to my caretaker's bullish resistance, the ladies did not stay long. How do I prevent this from happenning in the future? Is it as simple as saying something in the house rules like "No tramps allowed!!!!!" or something? Help please! Thanks in advance!
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It's even simpler -- just state that guests may not bring in any visitors. Many experienced hosts have this rule (see my house rules for example) -- guests cannot bring in ANY visitors at any time -- makes things so much simpler. Only those guests who have been paid for in advance and named in advance may set foot on your property. This prevents not only ladies of the night (or the local motel 6) but also strangers met at a bar, the guest's 7 friends, the guests' son and daughter and their friends, the guest's mother in law, and in general the whole parade who might otherwise troupe through your home.
One can state one is doing this for liability reasons -- in fact it is quite possible that insurance would not cover incidents with those who were in your house uninvited by yourself and not having paid for accomodations.
Arleen
Arleen10 hours ago
Thanks so much for this, Deborah! It is a big help and will surely avoid complications like this from happenning again. I especially like the "liability" part! Thanks and have a great day!
Boris
Boris6 hours ago
But be very flexible.Mind the fact that honest people might meet their friends,relatives or even make new friends and invite them on couple of tea on balcony,terrace of their/your apartment.As an owner you can forbid anything but as a host you should make good people feel good so the answer on the sensible situation is somewhere in the middle.Now let's say you paid for an apartment in Paris,you walk the city and meet your best friend,friends,relatives but you can not invite them on couple of tea on balcony,terrace of your apartment because the owner thinks you might be dishonest and make bad things?..I would feel unpleasantly and inhibited .I think we,hosts,must be very flexible and always think we get good people as guests because good people ,guest should not pay for same bad do...or with other words - never warn ALL your guests the things you think they might do but open your eyes wide and act from case to case - let good people feel great always.
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Deborah36 minutes ago
Boris, unfortunately a host cannot make rules which change according to whether a guest is good or bad. For instance, "Hello guest, here are the rules for you if you're a good guest, but if you're a bad guest, please read this other set of rules over here, those apply to you instead." It's not a fair acceptable assumption on the part of guests, nor for you to make, that if a host has a rule prohibiting something, that the host is saying the guest is "bad". Rules are neutral -- they are simply the rules. THey communicate nothing about the guests. In fact if your home insurer will not cover situations/incidents involving a guests' visitor, that says nothing about the visitor being 'Bad" it is simply a statement of fact. Further, we as hosts most definitely do not always have to be flexible, and it is a poor host who bends to the will and demands of every guest. Many hosts do allow guests to have visitors -- and guests should choose to stay at places where they will have that privilege, not at a listing where this is not permitted. Allowing your guests to insist that you run your home like someone else does, is going to cause you endless stress. Each host needs to decide for themselves what their rules are, and not feel the need to break their own rules at every guest whim. Of course one could make exceptions, but Arleen has already indicated she has had many problems in this department, and it would be a foolish host who thinks that guests would never lie and say they are bringing family members over, when in fact they are bringing over one of the women from the red light district. If that is okay for you as a host then fine, but if you don't want that, the simplest way to prevent it is to say no visitors. Trying to specify what KIND of people the guest can bring over and have as visitors, and which kind they cannot, will result in stress and a tendency of some guests to be dishonest.
Arleen
Arleen3 hours ago
Thanks for this, Boris. I understand that you mean not to generalize, right? I will keep this in mind
have a nice day!
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Boris44 minutes ago
Yes,exactly ,you get the picture.At first I never forbid anything to anyone but in the same time I try to be invisible watchdog and if and when situation get critical I say open , clearly but nicely it (whatever it is) must be stopped immediately....warmly,Boris
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Deborahin a few seconds
Have you ever had to confront a guest who had brought a prostitute to your home, and asked them nicely to have the woman depart? I would like to suggest that this would be awkward at best. HEnce another reason for having clear rules which are articulated in advance. It can help hosts avoid seriously awkward or even hostile and potentially scary situations.
Deborah
Deborah34 minutes ago
Hosts will have more success in stopping something immediately if they have house rules that back it up -- also they'll get more support from Airbnb if they have house rules prohibiting something that the guest is doing.
visitors
Hi, our beachhouse is several islands away from the more commercial and touristy beaches in the area. One of these beaches have the reputation of being the red llight district of the area.
Last weekend several guests (not the one who i communicated with on airbnb but a part of his group) brought home some women from there. Our cartetaker was pretty sure they were ladies of the night because the guests admitted that they were. Thanks to my caretaker's bullish resistance, the ladies did not stay long. How do I prevent this from happenning in the future? Is it as simple as saying something in the house rules like "No tramps allowed!!!!!" or something? Help please! Thanks in advance!
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Deborahin a few seconds
It's even simpler -- just state that guests may not bring in any visitors. Many experienced hosts have this rule (see my house rules for example) -- guests cannot bring in ANY visitors at any time -- makes things so much simpler. Only those guests who have been paid for in advance and named in advance may set foot on your property. This prevents not only ladies of the night (or the local motel 6) but also strangers met at a bar, the guest's 7 friends, the guests' son and daughter and their friends, the guest's mother in law, and in general the whole parade who might otherwise troupe through your home.
One can state one is doing this for liability reasons -- in fact it is quite possible that insurance would not cover incidents with those who were in your house uninvited by yourself and not having paid for accomodations.
Arleen
Arleen10 hours ago
Thanks so much for this, Deborah! It is a big help and will surely avoid complications like this from happenning again. I especially like the "liability" part! Thanks and have a great day!
Boris
Boris6 hours ago
But be very flexible.Mind the fact that honest people might meet their friends,relatives or even make new friends and invite them on couple of tea on balcony,terrace of their/your apartment.As an owner you can forbid anything but as a host you should make good people feel good so the answer on the sensible situation is somewhere in the middle.Now let's say you paid for an apartment in Paris,you walk the city and meet your best friend,friends,relatives but you can not invite them on couple of tea on balcony,terrace of your apartment because the owner thinks you might be dishonest and make bad things?..I would feel unpleasantly and inhibited .I think we,hosts,must be very flexible and always think we get good people as guests because good people ,guest should not pay for same bad do...or with other words - never warn ALL your guests the things you think they might do but open your eyes wide and act from case to case - let good people feel great always.
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Deborah
Deborah36 minutes ago
Boris, unfortunately a host cannot make rules which change according to whether a guest is good or bad. For instance, "Hello guest, here are the rules for you if you're a good guest, but if you're a bad guest, please read this other set of rules over here, those apply to you instead." It's not a fair acceptable assumption on the part of guests, nor for you to make, that if a host has a rule prohibiting something, that the host is saying the guest is "bad". Rules are neutral -- they are simply the rules. THey communicate nothing about the guests. In fact if your home insurer will not cover situations/incidents involving a guests' visitor, that says nothing about the visitor being 'Bad" it is simply a statement of fact. Further, we as hosts most definitely do not always have to be flexible, and it is a poor host who bends to the will and demands of every guest. Many hosts do allow guests to have visitors -- and guests should choose to stay at places where they will have that privilege, not at a listing where this is not permitted. Allowing your guests to insist that you run your home like someone else does, is going to cause you endless stress. Each host needs to decide for themselves what their rules are, and not feel the need to break their own rules at every guest whim. Of course one could make exceptions, but Arleen has already indicated she has had many problems in this department, and it would be a foolish host who thinks that guests would never lie and say they are bringing family members over, when in fact they are bringing over one of the women from the red light district. If that is okay for you as a host then fine, but if you don't want that, the simplest way to prevent it is to say no visitors. Trying to specify what KIND of people the guest can bring over and have as visitors, and which kind they cannot, will result in stress and a tendency of some guests to be dishonest.
Arleen
Arleen3 hours ago
Thanks for this, Boris. I understand that you mean not to generalize, right? I will keep this in mind
have a nice day!Reply Like Delete
Boris
Boris44 minutes ago
Yes,exactly ,you get the picture.At first I never forbid anything to anyone but in the same time I try to be invisible watchdog and if and when situation get critical I say open , clearly but nicely it (whatever it is) must be stopped immediately....warmly,Boris
Reply Like 1 reply•1 like Delete
Deborah
Deborahin a few seconds
Have you ever had to confront a guest who had brought a prostitute to your home, and asked them nicely to have the woman depart? I would like to suggest that this would be awkward at best. HEnce another reason for having clear rules which are articulated in advance. It can help hosts avoid seriously awkward or even hostile and potentially scary situations.
Deborah
Deborah34 minutes ago
Hosts will have more success in stopping something immediately if they have house rules that back it up -- also they'll get more support from Airbnb if they have house rules prohibiting something that the guest is doing.