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Deborah shared on NHF and Home Sharers East Bay April 2015
Short term rentals hotly debated in Denver
See this article about the current debate in Denver:
bit.ly/1C87Wjn
Some quotes in that article that I find interesting:
Some of opponents of regulating or enforcing laws prohibiting short-term rentals compare it to outlawing alcohol during Prohibition.“Enforcing the current zoning laws will not eliminate illegal short-term rentals,” said Denver resident Kevin Dickson.“It’s similar to the prohibition of alcohol,” said Dickson, who is an expert in green and sustainable construction.“When there is strong demand, supply will be created, legal or not,” Dickson said.
Dickson also doesn’t see the logic of drawing a line in the sand at 30 days.“Today I can legally rent out a house that I own for 30 days or more. But it’s illegal for me to rent it for a 29 day period or less,” Dickson said.“This makes no sense to me,” he continued.“I just don’t see how that law guarantees happier neighbors or a better neighborhood.
And:
City Councilwoman Mary Beth Susman has been studying the issue since last July, when she formed the council’s Sharing Task Force to study short-term rental options. She said if the city regulates the practice, it probably would only allow owner-occupants to participate and would ban companies from buying up buildings and renting out all of the rooms as a business.
And:
Amie Mayhew, president of the Colorado Hotel and Lodging Association, said short-term rentals need to be regulated, but the city shouldn’t go overboard.“In Portland and San Francisco, the regulations are so onerous that no one is signing up,” Mayhew said.
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Nic and Racha year ago
Thanks for sharing Deborah. ?..a hot and complicated issue and the more news about Airbnb, the more exposure and acceptance in the sharing economy it would be...(hopefully) ....
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Susana year ago
Hot and heavy in Los Angeles right now too. Two lengthy articles in the LA Times regarding Airbnb and short term rentals. AirBnb actually dumped several "hotel" style hosts (50+ units), cancelled their listings and all reservations after April 15th.
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Deboraha year ago
Yes, Susan, certainly things are a bit tense in LA. Here is a link to an article about those hosts Airbnb dropped ---
lat.ms/1CpvCOZ
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Jeannettea year ago
I'm actually strongly in favor of having only owner-occupants permitted to do short-term rentals.
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Andrewa year ago
It's not unusual for business owners to favor policies that reduce their competition, is it? ;-)
Jeannette
Jeannettea year ago
Absolutely! I'm in favor of it in my own enlightened self-interest, as well it being true to the spirit of AirBNB (started with an air mattress in an owner-occupied part).
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Jeannettea year ago
part = apt.
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Jeannettea year ago
Come to think of it -- one of my guests stayed in an apartment in Atlanta that was run by a conglomerate with tons of arms-length lodgings -- said it was unpleasant, dark, felt furtive and strange going to meet someone to get the keys. When the "branding" of AirBNB is so strongly that of "open your home and share it."
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Bekah and Briana year ago
Huge issue here in New Orleans, as well - where STRs are 100% illegal yet everyone is doing it and nothing is being enforced. The biggest problems here are the gutting of the rental market and neighborhood complaints. My friend lives several blocks away on a street that's easily over 50% STR and it's a nightmare. It's gone from a quiet residential street to party city in the last two years. The most common housing-style in the neighborhood are double shotguns, so each side of a house can usually sleep 4-6 people. On a block stuffed with airBNBs that's a LOT of extra people making a lot of extra noise. People are buying up houses and selling them FULLY FURNISHED as STRs. It's seriously messed up.
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Deboraha year ago
That is very interesting, Bekah and Brian--- 50% STR??!! Wow. It seems that "vacation cities" and areas may have this issue more than others-- I wonder what will happen with this. Do you have any thoughts where this might be going? Stop at 50% and plateau, or even more on the same street, or something occurring to reduce the # of STR,s in that area or street? It actually sounds like the situation in some of NYC.
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Bekah and Briana year ago
I think it's way worse here because of the type of housing we have - nearly all the houses are small. 1 or 2 family homes; lots of 2BR shotguns. It's very common for a homeowner to live on one side and (long lease) rent the other - or it was until recently. NOW it's very common to buy a house and rent both sides as STR or for out-of-towners to buy a house and hire a manager to run the STR. I can honestly say my neighborhood *feels* different than it did five years ago, and I don't like it. It is a big vacation city, indeed. There's been talk of legislation but of course no one can agree on anything. I don't think anything can be done to reduce it without passing some sort of law, but honestly this city barely has its head above water in so many other ways; there will be no one to enforce anything. It's lead to a really ugly climate. People yelling at anyone with a suitcase ( "GO HOME AIRBNB!" seriously), there were flyers on telephone poles to call 911 if you saw a stranger with a suitcase! It got kind of nuts last Summer. It's deeply unfortunate that the street where my friend with the high # of STRs lives also has a high number of swimming pools and hot tubs. It's like a never ending 24/7 bachelorette party over there. It's a massive problem, and the long-lease rental market has utterly withered away.
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Deborah6 months ago
Short term rentals hotly debated in Denver
See this article about the current debate in Denver:
bit.ly/1C87Wjn
Some quotes in that article that I find interesting:
Some of opponents of regulating or enforcing laws prohibiting short-term rentals compare it to outlawing alcohol during Prohibition.“Enforcing the current zoning laws will not eliminate illegal short-term rentals,” said Denver resident Kevin Dickson.“It’s similar to the prohibition of alcohol,” said Dickson, who is an expert in green and sustainable construction.“When there is strong demand, supply will be created, legal or not,” Dickson said.
Dickson also doesn’t see the logic of drawing a line in the sand at 30 days.“Today I can legally rent out a house that I own for 30 days or more. But it’s illegal for me to rent it for a 29 day period or less,” Dickson said.“This makes no sense to me,” he continued.“I just don’t see how that law guarantees happier neighbors or a better neighborhood.
And:
City Councilwoman Mary Beth Susman has been studying the issue since last July, when she formed the council’s Sharing Task Force to study short-term rental options. She said if the city regulates the practice, it probably would only allow owner-occupants to participate and would ban companies from buying up buildings and renting out all of the rooms as a business.
And:
Amie Mayhew, president of the Colorado Hotel and Lodging Association, said short-term rentals need to be regulated, but the city shouldn’t go overboard.“In Portland and San Francisco, the regulations are so onerous that no one is signing up,” Mayhew said.
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I totally agree with COuncilwoman Sussman's assessment and conclusion.
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Deborah shared on NHF and Home Sharers East Bay April 2015
Short term rentals hotly debated in Denver
See this article about the current debate in Denver:
bit.ly/1C87Wjn
Some quotes in that article that I find interesting:
Some of opponents of regulating or enforcing laws prohibiting short-term rentals compare it to outlawing alcohol during Prohibition.“Enforcing the current zoning laws will not eliminate illegal short-term rentals,” said Denver resident Kevin Dickson.“It’s similar to the prohibition of alcohol,” said Dickson, who is an expert in green and sustainable construction.“When there is strong demand, supply will be created, legal or not,” Dickson said.
Dickson also doesn’t see the logic of drawing a line in the sand at 30 days.“Today I can legally rent out a house that I own for 30 days or more. But it’s illegal for me to rent it for a 29 day period or less,” Dickson said.“This makes no sense to me,” he continued.“I just don’t see how that law guarantees happier neighbors or a better neighborhood.
And:
City Councilwoman Mary Beth Susman has been studying the issue since last July, when she formed the council’s Sharing Task Force to study short-term rental options. She said if the city regulates the practice, it probably would only allow owner-occupants to participate and would ban companies from buying up buildings and renting out all of the rooms as a business.
And:
Amie Mayhew, president of the Colorado Hotel and Lodging Association, said short-term rentals need to be regulated, but the city shouldn’t go overboard.“In Portland and San Francisco, the regulations are so onerous that no one is signing up,” Mayhew said.
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Nic and Racha year ago
Thanks for sharing Deborah. ?..a hot and complicated issue and the more news about Airbnb, the more exposure and acceptance in the sharing economy it would be...(hopefully) ....
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Susan
Susana year ago
Hot and heavy in Los Angeles right now too. Two lengthy articles in the LA Times regarding Airbnb and short term rentals. AirBnb actually dumped several "hotel" style hosts (50+ units), cancelled their listings and all reservations after April 15th.
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Deborah
Deboraha year ago
Yes, Susan, certainly things are a bit tense in LA. Here is a link to an article about those hosts Airbnb dropped ---
lat.ms/1CpvCOZ
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Jeannette
Jeannettea year ago
I'm actually strongly in favor of having only owner-occupants permitted to do short-term rentals.
Reply Liked 2 replies•1 like Delete
Andrew
Andrewa year ago
It's not unusual for business owners to favor policies that reduce their competition, is it? ;-)
Jeannette
Jeannettea year ago
Absolutely! I'm in favor of it in my own enlightened self-interest, as well it being true to the spirit of AirBNB (started with an air mattress in an owner-occupied part).
Jeannette
Jeannettea year ago
part = apt.
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Jeannette
Jeannettea year ago
Come to think of it -- one of my guests stayed in an apartment in Atlanta that was run by a conglomerate with tons of arms-length lodgings -- said it was unpleasant, dark, felt furtive and strange going to meet someone to get the keys. When the "branding" of AirBNB is so strongly that of "open your home and share it."
Reply Liked 2 likes Delete
Bekah and Brian
Bekah and Briana year ago
Huge issue here in New Orleans, as well - where STRs are 100% illegal yet everyone is doing it and nothing is being enforced. The biggest problems here are the gutting of the rental market and neighborhood complaints. My friend lives several blocks away on a street that's easily over 50% STR and it's a nightmare. It's gone from a quiet residential street to party city in the last two years. The most common housing-style in the neighborhood are double shotguns, so each side of a house can usually sleep 4-6 people. On a block stuffed with airBNBs that's a LOT of extra people making a lot of extra noise. People are buying up houses and selling them FULLY FURNISHED as STRs. It's seriously messed up.
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Deborah
Deboraha year ago
That is very interesting, Bekah and Brian--- 50% STR??!! Wow. It seems that "vacation cities" and areas may have this issue more than others-- I wonder what will happen with this. Do you have any thoughts where this might be going? Stop at 50% and plateau, or even more on the same street, or something occurring to reduce the # of STR,s in that area or street? It actually sounds like the situation in some of NYC.
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Bekah and Brian
Bekah and Briana year ago
I think it's way worse here because of the type of housing we have - nearly all the houses are small. 1 or 2 family homes; lots of 2BR shotguns. It's very common for a homeowner to live on one side and (long lease) rent the other - or it was until recently. NOW it's very common to buy a house and rent both sides as STR or for out-of-towners to buy a house and hire a manager to run the STR. I can honestly say my neighborhood *feels* different than it did five years ago, and I don't like it. It is a big vacation city, indeed. There's been talk of legislation but of course no one can agree on anything. I don't think anything can be done to reduce it without passing some sort of law, but honestly this city barely has its head above water in so many other ways; there will be no one to enforce anything. It's lead to a really ugly climate. People yelling at anyone with a suitcase ( "GO HOME AIRBNB!" seriously), there were flyers on telephone poles to call 911 if you saw a stranger with a suitcase! It got kind of nuts last Summer. It's deeply unfortunate that the street where my friend with the high # of STRs lives also has a high number of swimming pools and hot tubs. It's like a never ending 24/7 bachelorette party over there. It's a massive problem, and the long-lease rental market has utterly withered away.
Deborah
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Deborah6 months ago
Short term rentals hotly debated in Denver
See this article about the current debate in Denver:
bit.ly/1C87Wjn
Some quotes in that article that I find interesting:
Some of opponents of regulating or enforcing laws prohibiting short-term rentals compare it to outlawing alcohol during Prohibition.“Enforcing the current zoning laws will not eliminate illegal short-term rentals,” said Denver resident Kevin Dickson.“It’s similar to the prohibition of alcohol,” said Dickson, who is an expert in green and sustainable construction.“When there is strong demand, supply will be created, legal or not,” Dickson said.
Dickson also doesn’t see the logic of drawing a line in the sand at 30 days.“Today I can legally rent out a house that I own for 30 days or more. But it’s illegal for me to rent it for a 29 day period or less,” Dickson said.“This makes no sense to me,” he continued.“I just don’t see how that law guarantees happier neighbors or a better neighborhood.
And:
City Councilwoman Mary Beth Susman has been studying the issue since last July, when she formed the council’s Sharing Task Force to study short-term rental options. She said if the city regulates the practice, it probably would only allow owner-occupants to participate and would ban companies from buying up buildings and renting out all of the rooms as a business.
And:
Amie Mayhew, president of the Colorado Hotel and Lodging Association, said short-term rentals need to be regulated, but the city shouldn’t go overboard.“In Portland and San Francisco, the regulations are so onerous that no one is signing up,” Mayhew said.
G:
I totally agree with COuncilwoman Sussman's assessment and conclusion.