Post by High Priestess on May 30, 2016 21:18:46 GMT
This was a post on New HOsts Forum in Jan 2015 by a host who was coming forward offering tips as a host consultant. HOwever, though his chart was spiffy and techhy, his advice given in this post didn't make sense to many hosts possessed of common sense. Also it seemed that he didnt do any more hosting after November 2014. So, although his chart shows a skyward and exponential growth in one's hosting career, his own hosting career profile picture seemed to be rather one of falling off a cliff. It's now May 2016 and he still hasn't hosted since Nov 2014...which all goes to say, it's premature to jump into representing yourself as a consultant to others before you get your own business going successfully!
Chris shared on NHF Jan 2015
www.airbnb.com/groups/content/content-102724
Getting started for less than $20
www.airbnb.com/users/show/10138419
Hi New Hosts, the startup process is really easy and you can create an awesome first experience for a small investment. Here’s how I did it.
Grab $20 from the ATM and take a stroll through your local drug store or Wal-Mart to stock up on a few essential items (like travel-size shampoo, soap and lotions) as well as travel guides, maps and information about the local culture. Depending on where you live, you could charge $100 a night for a guest to stay in your apartment or home. That’s an $80 return. In one day.
Set up your place. With your guests’ impending stay in mind, consider what you want to get rid of. Clear out clutter, remove valuables, the whole nine.
Then, hop on over to AirBnB.com, set up an account and take some photos. AirBnB used to offer a photographer to shoot your place for free. I’m not sure if they still do this. Take advantage of the service, because great photos that capture the warmth or location of your place is a great selling point.
Voila! You’re ready to book your place.
But my favorite part about this… a residual $20 investment every time sees a gradually greater return on investment. Let me know if you liked this post in the comments below.
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Bridget and Marka year ago
Is this a joke? Or a bitter comment? This "host" has no active listing and nothing in "About Me". Mods, take a look?
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Carolyna year ago
If anyone's investing only $20 to begin hosting on Airbnb, he/she has no business being a host. So, I guess this IS a joke??
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Andreaa year ago
I thought you couldn't be a part of this group unless you were approved?? Can just anyone post in here and read around through our conversations? My understanding was that you had to be a verified host. I really hope this is true. Sigh.
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Andrewa year ago
The current rules state: "Active listing or multiple Guest Reviews. If a member does not have an active listing or Guest Reviews, the desire to become a Host must be indicated in the description area of the profile." We don't currently have an exclusion for hosts with temporarily deactivated listings. However, we reserve the right to remove members for any reason, including spamming and advertising.
Jamie
Jamiea year ago
...but he is a host judging by his reviews. He may just have de-activated his listing for a while. It's just a light-hearted post, he didn't mean any harm!
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Chrisa year ago
Hi everyone, Meryl is right - I have deactivated my listings. I'm Chris, and I've been hosting since december 2013! I blog about my experiences as a host and like to share with new hosts.
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Andrewa year ago
First off, I think this post is in the wrong place. We don't accept members who haven't already created their Airbnb listing.
Secondly, I find the economics here wildly misleading. An initial investment of $20 might be plausible for people who already have a fully furnished, dedicated guestroom at hospitality standards - but in that scenario, a significant amount of money has already gone into making the property guest-ready.
For the rest of us, creating a listing worthy of $100 a night (a hotel rate in most cities) could mean investing in new linens, towels, basic furnishings, and/or lighting. Possibly a new coat of paint. Maybe even a new mattress. some new locks, a new coffee machine. You're going to have to repair anything in the house that isn't working properly and fix any issues with heating, insulation, etc. You're going to dedicate days of effort to preparing your space, and many hours more to learning your way through the site, creating a good listing, and communicating with inquiring guests (and time is money too). To think that you can go from having a space used as a regular part of your home to having the same space meet the needs and desires of tourists for only $20 would be extremely naive - especially if you intend to get good reviews and secure future business.
I do appreciate when people share unsolicited advice here, Chris, but I suggest that you get a LOT more hosting experience under your belt before jumping into the consultancy racket.
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Stan & Maggiea year ago
I would 'like' your response Andrew but there is no link!
Chris
Chrisa year ago
Thanks for the feedback, all. Much appreciated. You're right- you do need to have a place to actually rent out. I should have made that more clear. I like the thoughts on the graphic- I'll tweak tonight! Cheers!
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Andrewa year ago
Yes, you need the place, which usually isn't free. You may also need insurance that covers vacation rentals, which non-hosts almost never have. If you're doing everything legally and as advised by Airbnb, it's quite plausible that it will take several guests before you hit the break-even point on your investment. A single graphic can't really account for all the variance in situations that aspiring hosts may find themselves in, not to mention the risk-exposure and all its potential costs, and anyone who could be persuaded that it's as simple as instant-return passive-income would be far too lacking in financial literacy to be running a small business.
Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
This is why infographics are often misleading. Although Chris' graph is pretty!
Chris
Chrisa year ago
Thx julie & Eric! Good points. Andrew knows what he's talking about! Listen to him. As a host, understanding the process is incredibly important- there are many legalities that must be understood. Airbnb, as a service, sets out to create a user-friendly experience that educates the customer on how to navigate these legalities. Don't feel overwhelmed by all this- it's just meant to protect you. Have fun visualizing your financial success- it's one great reason we love to play host! and love Airbnb!
Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
Terrific! I've been hosting since 2010 on Airbnb (and a landlord since probably before you fell to earth) and concur - Andrew knows his...stuff inside and out (and is hilarious to boot) so I always pay attention when he chimes in, and I fully realize the legalities. I disagree that Airbnb educates the user on how to navigate legal waters - they do mention that the user should educate themselves about them, which is also great!
Chris
Chrisa year ago
Agreed, on all accounts
Jamie
Jamiea year ago
Let's face it Chris: you just wanted to make a chart didn't you :-P
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Chrisa year ago
Guilty
I think we need more visuals in life
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Jamiea year ago
I knew it
But seriously now my flat is set up it does pretty much cost me about £10 to set up for another guest (some snacks, toiletries etc). But I put on a £10 cleaning fee which covers it.
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Nic and Racha year ago
We always listen to Andrew- he dictates our hosting life.. and Glenn is Witty and amazing with his Air Tarot and Deborah she is a Responder an EMS of this group ... and I can include them in my profile of " I CAN"T LIVE " without...
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Andreaa year ago
I totally agree. Enormous gratitude!!
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Dannya year ago
Why the post anyway? Hosts in this grou;p are by and large already up and runjing and passed the 20 dollar stage. Who cares if your graphiic is pretty, pretty useless.
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Fleur, Dan and kids
Fleur, Dan and kidsa year ago
Honesty is the best policy for Danny! Love it.
Louise
Louisea year ago
Your example is by all accounts oversimplified and shows a lack of knowledge about the real costs involved. Besides the income generated through an Airbnb
listing is by no means passive. On the contrary a successful listing on this platform
( such as the one you suggest with 5 * reviews ) is certainly NOT passive income !
To suggest otherwise is misleading. Also what is the point of actively blogging about your experiences when you have no active listing. Again , misleading. Are you interested in "virtual hosting'. Maybe you should rethink your business plan !
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Chrisa year ago
I 'liked' this Thanks, Louise!
Rick
Ricka year ago
for tax purposes, it is considered "passive" income (rents) & we should be thankful for that!! Lots of advantages to that type of income as compared to "earned" income!!
Leah
Leaha year ago
Heck, we all should get into consulting! LOL
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Fleur, Dan and kids
Fleur, Dan and kidsa year ago
No it sucks believe me!
Amelia
Ameliaa year ago
What's your blog chris ?
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Amelia
Ameliaa year ago
Good to see you have the same attitude everywhere Danny ! Har Har har
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Ameliaa year ago
I started out charging €15 per night for a double room . It didn't cost me anything . Just labour interms of de cluttering . Gradually I bought stuff for room . I leave mineral water for guest but that's it . Does air B and B take a % of te cleaning fee?
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Glenna year ago
Airbnb will deduct 3% of whatever your payout is. How you break that down for the guest in terms of the room rate and cleaning fee doesn't change the deduction. The payout on $300 is $291 if you have a $100 cleaning fee and a $200 rate or a $50 cleaning fee and a $250 rate. It's all the same.
Glenn
Glenna year ago
The graphic and 5-steps to profitability in this post grossly underestimate a host's true cost of doing business. Making the claim that Airbnb is equivalent to a passive "get rich quick" scheme where $20 could be turned into hundreds or thousands of dollars in a matter of weeks or months is wildly and irresponsibly misleading.
In regard to the removal of the original post, our community is a forum, not a newspaper. Forums have moderators; newspapers have editors; they are not the same. A forum is a dialogue among a group of connected individuals; a newspaper is one way communication. When moderators editorialize the membership's content they overstep the bounds of their responsibility at the expense of the community.
As our group's founder, I am ultimately responsible for moderating the discussion, and I have charged Deborah and Andrew with the same responsibility. All voices in this community are equal. I have never removed a comment or post simply because I did not agree with it, and I would be doing a considerable disservice to the hosting community if I did so.
We are rich with diverse and numerous voices. Some are outspoken; others remain silent; some are wise; others are questioning. All are valuable and have an equal opportunity to be heard. Our collective voice provides the most beneficial resource for Airbnb hosts around the world. I have learned incredible lessons from you not only about how to be a good host but how to be a good member of society.
Thank you for what you have taught me. Because of you I am doing my part to make the world a better place.
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Stan & Maggiea year ago
Thank you Glen, for all you do and Deborah and Andrew :-)))
Carolyn
Carolyna year ago
As others have said, this graphic is both misleading and irresponsible. In addition, any host following this model will not be receiving five-star reviews. Simply not enough care can go into a guest space, if it's set up as Chris suggests.
Also, it doesn't take into consideration the opportunity costs - ie, the money you lose, theoretically, on having a roommate instead of setting up a space for Airbnb guests. And, if you consider your unpaid labor, you're likely spending the equivalent of a forty-hour work week getting a space ready to list, doing repairs, arranging storage, scouring the bathroom, researching other Airbnbs in your area, and finding the right wording for your listing. All this for an hourly wage of $0. And all before you welcome your first guest.
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Leaha year ago
Plus, no new host is hardly ever getting top dollar right from the get-go, especially with competition of existing listings.
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Stan & Maggiea year ago
Haha! Yesterday I painted a door, ironed 4 sets of cotton sheets 12 pillowcases, folded a stack of towels. Then I washed 2 bathroom floors after cleaning toilets, scrubbing tubs and basins, dusted everything I could find, fixed the vacuum, vacuumed and waxed floors and so on .....ah we lead such glamorous lives!
Then I met our lovely guest in from NYC and retired with a glass of wine. Today I play. :-)))) Maggie
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Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
No kidding! But what is this "iron" of which you speak?
Glenn
Glenna year ago
And with 4 sets of sheets! =0
Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
My grandmother had one of these www.thepeoplehistory.com/5e/1950ironingmachine.jpg
Carolyn
Carolyna year ago
Julie & Eric: LOL! I'm always making a mad dash to get the sheets out of the dryer and on to the bed before they wrinkle.
Once I had a guest who asked if she could borrow a blow dryer and an iron. I promptly supplied her with both, plus a mini ironing board. It wasn't til much later that I realized she was referring to a curling iron for her hair!!
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Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
That's pretty funny. I dry my sheets for about 15 minutes then hang them - very few visible wrinkles. 25 minutes and I have to start over because it's Wrinkle City.
Rick
Ricka year ago
It's so worth the $20 it costs me to have them professionally washed, starched, & ironed
Stan & Maggie
Stan & Maggiea year ago
LOL Rick, it cost $25 per sheet here plus extra for pillowcases :-(
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Ricka year ago
Ahh...but SF is so wonderful!!
Chris shared on NHF Jan 2015
www.airbnb.com/groups/content/content-102724
Getting started for less than $20
www.airbnb.com/users/show/10138419
Hi New Hosts, the startup process is really easy and you can create an awesome first experience for a small investment. Here’s how I did it.
Grab $20 from the ATM and take a stroll through your local drug store or Wal-Mart to stock up on a few essential items (like travel-size shampoo, soap and lotions) as well as travel guides, maps and information about the local culture. Depending on where you live, you could charge $100 a night for a guest to stay in your apartment or home. That’s an $80 return. In one day.
Set up your place. With your guests’ impending stay in mind, consider what you want to get rid of. Clear out clutter, remove valuables, the whole nine.
Then, hop on over to AirBnB.com, set up an account and take some photos. AirBnB used to offer a photographer to shoot your place for free. I’m not sure if they still do this. Take advantage of the service, because great photos that capture the warmth or location of your place is a great selling point.
Voila! You’re ready to book your place.
But my favorite part about this… a residual $20 investment every time sees a gradually greater return on investment. Let me know if you liked this post in the comments below.
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Bridget and Marka year ago
Is this a joke? Or a bitter comment? This "host" has no active listing and nothing in "About Me". Mods, take a look?
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Carolyna year ago
If anyone's investing only $20 to begin hosting on Airbnb, he/she has no business being a host. So, I guess this IS a joke??
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Andrea
Andreaa year ago
I thought you couldn't be a part of this group unless you were approved?? Can just anyone post in here and read around through our conversations? My understanding was that you had to be a verified host. I really hope this is true. Sigh.
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Andrew
Andrewa year ago
The current rules state: "Active listing or multiple Guest Reviews. If a member does not have an active listing or Guest Reviews, the desire to become a Host must be indicated in the description area of the profile." We don't currently have an exclusion for hosts with temporarily deactivated listings. However, we reserve the right to remove members for any reason, including spamming and advertising.
Jamie
Jamiea year ago
...but he is a host judging by his reviews. He may just have de-activated his listing for a while. It's just a light-hearted post, he didn't mean any harm!
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Chrisa year ago
Hi everyone, Meryl is right - I have deactivated my listings. I'm Chris, and I've been hosting since december 2013! I blog about my experiences as a host and like to share with new hosts.
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Andrew
Andrewa year ago
First off, I think this post is in the wrong place. We don't accept members who haven't already created their Airbnb listing.
Secondly, I find the economics here wildly misleading. An initial investment of $20 might be plausible for people who already have a fully furnished, dedicated guestroom at hospitality standards - but in that scenario, a significant amount of money has already gone into making the property guest-ready.
For the rest of us, creating a listing worthy of $100 a night (a hotel rate in most cities) could mean investing in new linens, towels, basic furnishings, and/or lighting. Possibly a new coat of paint. Maybe even a new mattress. some new locks, a new coffee machine. You're going to have to repair anything in the house that isn't working properly and fix any issues with heating, insulation, etc. You're going to dedicate days of effort to preparing your space, and many hours more to learning your way through the site, creating a good listing, and communicating with inquiring guests (and time is money too). To think that you can go from having a space used as a regular part of your home to having the same space meet the needs and desires of tourists for only $20 would be extremely naive - especially if you intend to get good reviews and secure future business.
I do appreciate when people share unsolicited advice here, Chris, but I suggest that you get a LOT more hosting experience under your belt before jumping into the consultancy racket.
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Stan & Maggie
Stan & Maggiea year ago
I would 'like' your response Andrew but there is no link!
Chris
Chrisa year ago
Thanks for the feedback, all. Much appreciated. You're right- you do need to have a place to actually rent out. I should have made that more clear. I like the thoughts on the graphic- I'll tweak tonight! Cheers!
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Andrew
Andrewa year ago
Yes, you need the place, which usually isn't free. You may also need insurance that covers vacation rentals, which non-hosts almost never have. If you're doing everything legally and as advised by Airbnb, it's quite plausible that it will take several guests before you hit the break-even point on your investment. A single graphic can't really account for all the variance in situations that aspiring hosts may find themselves in, not to mention the risk-exposure and all its potential costs, and anyone who could be persuaded that it's as simple as instant-return passive-income would be far too lacking in financial literacy to be running a small business.
Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
This is why infographics are often misleading. Although Chris' graph is pretty!
Chris
Chrisa year ago
Thx julie & Eric! Good points. Andrew knows what he's talking about! Listen to him. As a host, understanding the process is incredibly important- there are many legalities that must be understood. Airbnb, as a service, sets out to create a user-friendly experience that educates the customer on how to navigate these legalities. Don't feel overwhelmed by all this- it's just meant to protect you. Have fun visualizing your financial success- it's one great reason we love to play host! and love Airbnb!
Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
Terrific! I've been hosting since 2010 on Airbnb (and a landlord since probably before you fell to earth) and concur - Andrew knows his...stuff inside and out (and is hilarious to boot) so I always pay attention when he chimes in, and I fully realize the legalities. I disagree that Airbnb educates the user on how to navigate legal waters - they do mention that the user should educate themselves about them, which is also great!
Chris
Chrisa year ago
Agreed, on all accounts
Jamie
Jamiea year ago
Let's face it Chris: you just wanted to make a chart didn't you :-P
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Chrisa year ago
Guilty
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Jamie
Jamiea year ago
I knew it
But seriously now my flat is set up it does pretty much cost me about £10 to set up for another guest (some snacks, toiletries etc). But I put on a £10 cleaning fee which covers it.
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Nic and Rach
Nic and Racha year ago
We always listen to Andrew- he dictates our hosting life..
and Glenn is Witty and amazing with his Air Tarot and Deborah she is a Responder an EMS of this group ... and I can include them in my profile of " I CAN"T LIVE " without...Reply Like 7 likes Delete
Andrea
Andreaa year ago
I totally agree. Enormous gratitude!!
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Danny
Dannya year ago
Why the post anyway? Hosts in this grou;p are by and large already up and runjing and passed the 20 dollar stage. Who cares if your graphiic is pretty, pretty useless.
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Fleur, Dan and kids
Fleur, Dan and kidsa year ago
Honesty is the best policy for Danny! Love it.
Louise
Louisea year ago
Your example is by all accounts oversimplified and shows a lack of knowledge about the real costs involved. Besides the income generated through an Airbnb
listing is by no means passive. On the contrary a successful listing on this platform
( such as the one you suggest with 5 * reviews ) is certainly NOT passive income !
To suggest otherwise is misleading. Also what is the point of actively blogging about your experiences when you have no active listing. Again , misleading. Are you interested in "virtual hosting'. Maybe you should rethink your business plan !
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Chris
Chrisa year ago
I 'liked' this
Thanks, Louise!Rick
Ricka year ago
for tax purposes, it is considered "passive" income (rents) & we should be thankful for that!! Lots of advantages to that type of income as compared to "earned" income!!
Leah
Leaha year ago
Heck, we all should get into consulting! LOL
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Fleur, Dan and kids
Fleur, Dan and kidsa year ago
No it sucks believe me!
Amelia
Ameliaa year ago
What's your blog chris ?
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Amelia
Ameliaa year ago
Good to see you have the same attitude everywhere Danny ! Har Har har
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Amelia
Ameliaa year ago
I started out charging €15 per night for a double room . It didn't cost me anything . Just labour interms of de cluttering . Gradually I bought stuff for room . I leave mineral water for guest but that's it . Does air B and B take a % of te cleaning fee?
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Glenn
Glenna year ago
Airbnb will deduct 3% of whatever your payout is. How you break that down for the guest in terms of the room rate and cleaning fee doesn't change the deduction. The payout on $300 is $291 if you have a $100 cleaning fee and a $200 rate or a $50 cleaning fee and a $250 rate. It's all the same.
Glenn
Glenna year ago
The graphic and 5-steps to profitability in this post grossly underestimate a host's true cost of doing business. Making the claim that Airbnb is equivalent to a passive "get rich quick" scheme where $20 could be turned into hundreds or thousands of dollars in a matter of weeks or months is wildly and irresponsibly misleading.
In regard to the removal of the original post, our community is a forum, not a newspaper. Forums have moderators; newspapers have editors; they are not the same. A forum is a dialogue among a group of connected individuals; a newspaper is one way communication. When moderators editorialize the membership's content they overstep the bounds of their responsibility at the expense of the community.
As our group's founder, I am ultimately responsible for moderating the discussion, and I have charged Deborah and Andrew with the same responsibility. All voices in this community are equal. I have never removed a comment or post simply because I did not agree with it, and I would be doing a considerable disservice to the hosting community if I did so.
We are rich with diverse and numerous voices. Some are outspoken; others remain silent; some are wise; others are questioning. All are valuable and have an equal opportunity to be heard. Our collective voice provides the most beneficial resource for Airbnb hosts around the world. I have learned incredible lessons from you not only about how to be a good host but how to be a good member of society.
Thank you for what you have taught me. Because of you I am doing my part to make the world a better place.
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Stan & Maggie
Stan & Maggiea year ago
Thank you Glen, for all you do and Deborah and Andrew :-)))
Carolyn
Carolyna year ago
As others have said, this graphic is both misleading and irresponsible. In addition, any host following this model will not be receiving five-star reviews. Simply not enough care can go into a guest space, if it's set up as Chris suggests.
Also, it doesn't take into consideration the opportunity costs - ie, the money you lose, theoretically, on having a roommate instead of setting up a space for Airbnb guests. And, if you consider your unpaid labor, you're likely spending the equivalent of a forty-hour work week getting a space ready to list, doing repairs, arranging storage, scouring the bathroom, researching other Airbnbs in your area, and finding the right wording for your listing. All this for an hourly wage of $0. And all before you welcome your first guest.
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Leah
Leaha year ago
Plus, no new host is hardly ever getting top dollar right from the get-go, especially with competition of existing listings.
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Stan & Maggiea year ago
Haha! Yesterday I painted a door, ironed 4 sets of cotton sheets 12 pillowcases, folded a stack of towels. Then I washed 2 bathroom floors after cleaning toilets, scrubbing tubs and basins, dusted everything I could find, fixed the vacuum, vacuumed and waxed floors and so on .....ah we lead such glamorous lives!
Then I met our lovely guest in from NYC and retired with a glass of wine. Today I play. :-)))) Maggie
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Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
No kidding! But what is this "iron" of which you speak?
Glenn
Glenna year ago
And with 4 sets of sheets! =0
Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
My grandmother had one of these www.thepeoplehistory.com/5e/1950ironingmachine.jpg
Carolyn
Carolyna year ago
Julie & Eric: LOL! I'm always making a mad dash to get the sheets out of the dryer and on to the bed before they wrinkle.
Once I had a guest who asked if she could borrow a blow dryer and an iron. I promptly supplied her with both, plus a mini ironing board. It wasn't til much later that I realized she was referring to a curling iron for her hair!!
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Julie and Eric
Julie and Erica year ago
That's pretty funny. I dry my sheets for about 15 minutes then hang them - very few visible wrinkles. 25 minutes and I have to start over because it's Wrinkle City.
Rick
Ricka year ago
It's so worth the $20 it costs me to have them professionally washed, starched, & ironed
Stan & Maggie
Stan & Maggiea year ago
LOL Rick, it cost $25 per sheet here plus extra for pillowcases :-(
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Rick
Ricka year ago
Ahh...but SF is so wonderful!!